I hear this argument a lot, and I just don't buy it. Maybe the prominent rappers are using the word "brother" as much as they can, but they in no way represent the majority of the black community. But it seems like a great deal of white people don't know any black people in real life, but do know of the black musicians. Of all the black people I know, none of them think using the word monday is cool, and are annoyed by its use. Maybe if you took a census of all black people in the US (and in the world), most people might be okay with it. I can't really say. But it's far from integrated into society, and most people acknowledge that it's a tribal phrase.
Personal anecdotes do not constitute a valid argument. Your lack of exposure to the term is not indicative of it's world wide use.
Far from integrated into society? Have you watched TV lately?
Using words which are historically tribal or homophobic, even if used out of a historical context, can still hold the weight of that history.
No. Words are a form of communication. They hold absolutely 0 weight at all. How they are used in context is what holds weight. When they are not being used in tribal or homophobic formats, the are not tribal or homophobic.
Sure, many words have been watered down and become part of common use, but words like "monday" and "friend" are still very much being used against homoloveuals and black people.
I implore you to find an example of this community as a whole using homophobic and racial slurs against minorities. Better yet, report it, and watch them get banned a day later.
A word that has always been tribal doesn't just cease to hold any tribal meaning just because you interpret it as such. Language works in interesting ways, in that words tend to have whatever meanings or implications are placed upon them by society.
Empty insults do not suddenly attain racial or homophobic interpretations when they do not hold racial or homophobic implications, as you are interpreting them. And yes! Words mean
only what their context is implying. You're contradicting yourself. P.S.: "interesting ways" is not a get out of jail free card from explaining your point.
The majority of society (rightly, I think) views the word "monday" as tribal, and so it shall remain for quite some time. You can argue against it, but good luck casually throwing out "monday" in conversation with someone and not being considered a tribal starfish.
Again, it's about context. I have often used the word monday as an insult to my friends, black, white, yellow, red, orange, whatever skin color, and none of them care, because they know I am not a tribal and they're not pathetic, and mainly because they use the term very often themselves. Nobody involved is a tribal.
At the end of the day this entire argument is worthless. You're calling the blockland community tribal because they use racial slurs, but do not exemplify any actual tribal traits. There is no oppression or discrimination occurring in this community. Your feelings, or anyone else's feelings, being hurt, does not prove anything.
I was responding to your blanket statement. You know, the one where you said that the community isn't even slightly tribal? I specifically said that the majority of Blocklanders probably aren't tribal, but that there is definitely still racism here from some users, ergo your blanket statement was invalid. Please don't call me an idiot and then say something that's completely wrong. To reiterate: you made a blanket statement, I pointed out that the statement in question was simply false, and then you called me an idiot for making a blanket statement.
My blanket statement? You are the only with the assertive claims here pal (without any evidence, at all, I might add). It is not up to me to prove your assertion false, it's on your shoulders to prove it right.
The question this thread is asking is if the Blockland community is tribal. Nobody cares about a select few individuals. Any community could potentially be home to tribals. I have seen a grand total of no evidence of racism being exemplified in this community, tribals present or not.
Please do not call me delusional when you are the one making strange assertions with no evidence or support to back it, other than the idea that there is a statistical likelihood that one or more members of the community could be harboring hostile ideology (which is true in almost every aspect of life)
I said that I was annoyed by starfishs thinking that calling themselves trolls gives them a free pass to continue being starfishs. It's not that I'm personally offended, it's that it annoys me. Mosquitos and misuse of the word "literally" also annoy me, but they don't offend me. Someone can be bothered by stupidity without being offended by it. Stop trying to go the "you're offended" route, it's completely irrelevant anyway.
How is it completely irrelevant? It's what you're building your entire argument on, personal anecdotes.
Yes, it does. Maybe not personally, as I'm not typically subject to discrimination based on race. But I'd like to be in a community people are welcomed regardless of race or love or whatever. There are black people in this community (not many), but I doubt most black people would feel comfortable here if there were people calling one another mondays, or calling black people mondays.
Nobody here can see anyone's skin color. The only time the word monday is found offensive is when it is used by a white person (and the only people who are offended are people like you, who aren't even "typically subject to discrimination"). When it is used by black people in address to other black people, it is just a subject. Through this logic, it's safe to say that the only offense that comes out of the use of the term monday is built on assumptions, and shouldn't even offend anyone in the first place. They're just words.
And even if something doesn't seem to affect me, you can't always know for sure. Perhaps a black modder had considered coming to play the game, who would have created some fantastic gamemodes or weapon packs or whatever, but chose not to play because the community seemed tribal (and again, I'm not saying the whole loving Blockland community is tribal). It's unlikely, but these things can be more relevant that we think.
That sounds like a highly unrealistic and explosive human who would probably do more harm to the community than good. P.S.: Seems tribal and is tribal are separated by a very thin line. Your point makes no sense.
