Author Topic: Space exploration - Laser propulsion  (Read 1221 times)

This is a terrible place to talk about propulsion. Let's talk about propulsion.

What do you think of laser beam propulsion and wafersats? It's an old topic, but it's becoming more feasible due to the latest advances in directed energy.

It seems to be the only way to get probes to the nearest stars in a human lifetime. I'd like to help make this happen. Liquid propellant rocket engines require too much mass.

References:

https://livestream.com/viewnow/niac2015seattle/videos/105034354
http://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-scientists-are-investigating-a-propulsion-system-that-could-reach-mars-in-3-days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhUasBcoj-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viRylmoFAj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtPBqJ8XmWQ&t=1s

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/roadmap_to_interstellar_flight_tagged.pdf

« Last Edit: November 29, 2016, 04:22:55 AM by Farad »

What do you think of laser beam propulsion and wafersats?

yes


Could you elaborate?

that post was more of a joke but i'll drop in my two cents:

i really don't know what laser propulsion is and i haven't dived deep down into that subject of rocket science, not yet at least. lemme say i love space exploration and astronomy and love to learn all about it. if i can get this straight, does that mean we're working on a new way for rockets, probes and etc to travel faster than before using lasers? sorry if i'm acting dumb i just feel lost

if so, the laser propulsion idea is really cool though in my opinion and i can't wait to see that stuff being finished
« Last Edit: November 29, 2016, 04:00:33 AM by Timestamp »

so far, what I'm seeing from the articles looks fairly promising, and I'd like to see it finished

shame that this can't be applied to manned spacecraft yet, but I guess we'll see what happens in the future

so far, what I'm seeing from the articles looks fairly promising, and I'd like to see it finished

shame that this can't be applied to manned spacecraft yet, but I guess we'll see what happens in the future

It can be applied to manned spacecraft. It is supposedly more efficient than liquid propellant engines. This is from the pdf:

1000kg – smallest sized human “shuttle craft” system with 850m reflector.
Time to when laser diffraction spot equals reflector size= 5.88x106 s
Distance when laser diffraction spot equals reflector size=4.01x1012
m
Speed when laser diffraction spot equals reflector size=1.36x106
m/s
Beta when laser diffraction spot equals reflector size=0.0046
Speed with continued illumination=1.93x106
m/s
Beta with continued illumination=0.0064
Acceleration when reflector is fully illuminated=0.0237”g”



compare that^ with a much lighter wafer-sized spacecraft (details below):

1g – wafer scale spacecraft with 0.85m reflector capable of significant relativistic light.
Time to when laser diffraction spot equals reflector size= 186s
Distance when laser diffraction spot equals reflector size=4.01x109
m
Speed when laser diffraction spot equals reflector size=4.31x107
m/s
Beta when laser diffraction spot equals reflector size=0.14
Speed with continued illumination=6.10x107
m/s
Beta with continued illumination=0.20
Acceleration when reflector is fully illuminated=2.37x104
”g”
« Last Edit: November 29, 2016, 04:11:21 AM by Farad »


Personally I think the EmDrive or something related to it is going to be what gives us the means to travel to distant systems. Tests from Nasa Eagleworks seem to show that it works to an extent.


they're doing this with proxima centauri you know

Personally I think the EmDrive or something related to it is going to be what gives us the means to travel to distant systems. Tests from Nasa Eagleworks seem to show that it works to an extent.
Unfortunately, nice as it would be, probably not. Tests have recorded results from the same side of the detector regardless of the orientation of the detector or the drive, and I don't believe there's been a control experiment yet.

On topic about lasers: the nice thing about them is that you keep the heavy thrust generating equipment on Earth, freeing up spacecraft mass for things like more life support or more than a phone booth's volume per person. The downside, of course, being that the thrust equipment stays on Earth, so you still need some amount of on-board thrust for fancy things like "actually landing anywhere."

Another edit: one of the most ridiculous hypothetical propulsion systems I've seen (yes, even more extreme than rocket jumping with nuclear bombs) is a black hole drive. You'd construct a huge array of gamma ray lasers, pointed at a single point. Problem: huge power requirements that could be used on, say, just propelling it with the lasers. Solution (sort of): construct it in low solar orbit and use solar power. The lasers, as light has mass, would eventually create a tiny black hole. Feed it until it is large enough to eat particles, then (somehow) charge it in order to move it. Using a dish to reflect the hawking radiation for thrust, you would feed it with a particle accelerator. Problem: it can't be turned off. Edit: that is, without the black hole evaporating.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2016, 03:16:05 PM by Magus »

scott manley put up a great vid as to why the emdrive isnt a likely success

i have some serious doubts about the em drive, as cool as it might be. it's way too good to be true.

scott manley put up a great vid as to why the emdrive isnt a likely success
hullo scott manley here

The lasers, as light has mass, would eventually create a tiny black hole.
they call it a kugelblitz cause its just energy-made black holes its nutso

I hope it works so Scott Manley will eat his hat