https://www.hrc.org/news/new-study-reveals-shocking-rates-of-attempted-Self Delete-among-trans-adolescen
The difference here is that 29.9 - over half of men do not attempt Self Delete. The things you're trying to compare here are not comparable.
However, Self Delete rates are higher amongst veterans. But again this has to do with the fact that the military is often mentally debilitating. Survivors guilt, PTSD, inability/struggle to transition back into society, you name it.
it doesn't matter, my point stands as: where do we draw the line in terms of "how good" someone's mental health is.
https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/love-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence
Literally every single study in this link goes against current scientific evidence or the scientists responsible for the study says their research do not come to the same conclusions than the article
For example, one of the prime sources in the article this study:
[1]Here is the author of the study responding to the article:
[2]Williams: Before I contacted you for this interview, were you aware of the way your work was being misrepresented?
Dhejne: Yes! It’s very frustrating! I’ve even seen professors use my work to support ridiculous claims. I’ve often had to respond myself by commenting on articles, speaking with journalists, and talking about this problem at conferences. The Huffington Post wrote an article about the way my research is misrepresented. At the same time, I know of instances where ethical researchers and clinicians have used this study to expand and improve access to trans health care and impact systems of anti-trans oppression.
Of course trans medical and psychological care is efficacious. A 2010 meta-brown townysis confirmed by studies thereafter show that medical gender confirming interventions reduces gender dysphoria.
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The aim of trans medical interventions is to bring a trans person’s body more inline with their gender identity, resulting in the measurable diminishment of their gender dysphoria. However trans people as a group also experience significant social oppression in the form of bullying, abuse, rape and hate crimes. Medical transition alone won’t resolve the effects of crushing social oppression: social anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress.
What we’ve found is that treatment models which ignore the effect of cultural oppression and outright hate aren’t enough. We need to understand that our treatment models must be responsive to not only gender dysphoria, but the effects of anti-trans hate as well. That’s what improved care means.
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People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find.html) that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health.
No, the study does not show that medical transition results in Self Delete or suicidal ideation. The study explicitly states that such is not the case and those using this study to make that claim are using fallacious logic.
The claim that gender transition isnt an effective way to treat gender dysphoria is entirely untrue based on scientific consensus.
For example, an ENOURMOUS meta brown townysis from
Cornell [3] looked at
55 different studies on the subject and came to the conclusion that:
- Of 55 studies, 51 indicated transitioning has a positive effect on the mental health of transgender people and 4 indicated it had mixed or no results.
- ZERO studies indicated gender transitioning has negative results
Another meta brown townysis by
(Murad et al.) [4] looked at 28 studies on transition:
- 80% of individuals reported significant improvement in dysphoria
- 78% of individuals reported significant improvement in psychological symptoms
- 72% of individuals reported significant improvement in loveual function
- Positive results across the board, EVEN IN 15-YEAR FOLLOWUPS
This isn't even all the scientific literature that I have on hand for this but I hope you understand my point.
Transitioning vs. transitioned aren't much different either, both are still highly unstable. And more than 10 percent of MTF transgenders (a majority of the transgender community) regret their gender reassignment surgery entirely.
Someone literally didn't read the study they are quoting! It seems like you don't even have the same number as the source!
[5]Here's the actual numbers (overall):
8% overall have detransitioned!! alarming right?
wait... but why did they?WAIT, looks like a large portion of those people who detransitioned did so because of... social pressure? and not actually because they weren't trans!!!
On top of that, the actual number of people who actually detransitionned was...*drumroll*...
0.4% of the overall sample!Wow 0.4% thats insanely low compared to the success rate of a lot of other medical procedures right?
Also regarding that Viagra article: "And according to DHA, military beneficiaries, including active-duty personnel, retirees and eligible family members, filled nearly 1.18 million prescriptions for ED medications through this system in 2014."
How many of those do you think are active-duty personnel? I don't think guys serving in the sandbox right now are worried about getting laid/getting some chub. Pretty sure if you're active duty regardless of branch you really aren't loveually active. Transgenders need to actively keep taking their hormones as far as I know, so how's that comparable to boner meds exactly? Don't forget the fact that hormones are more expensive than Viagra, and again good luck passing a bill that makes the military delegate some of their cash to funding hormones. This isn't even taking into fact the side affects of hormone replacement, and how it forgets with your mental and emotional state. You're forgetting A LOT of variables here dude.
i don't care if they are active duty or retired.
the fact of the matter is, every
person that is/was in the military should have health care and trans healthcare
is health care. the amount of trans people is incomparable to the amount of men taking viagra and by some estimates it would only amount to like 8 mil a year. I'm simply illustrating the point that it is such a cheap amount compared to a luxury men take all the time, therefore it's not an argument to not allow them in the military because its "too expensive" like you said.
There is a lot of research about on hormone replacement my guy, it actually alleviates the symptoms of disphoria. Do you want me to dig up the forgetton of science that agrees with me again?
Please, for the love of god, read and parse these studies yourself. Don't just believe that random internet articles (which are not the primary sources) are right about their interpretation next time.
Sources:[1]
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885[2]
http://transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm[3]
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/[4]
https://sci-hub.se/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x[5]
https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf