i wish everyone had looked at this post
we've seen it
the problem with this argument is that
a: this is the drama board. the entire purpose of this board is for arguing. ideally it keeps it out of other boards though that obviously doesn't work very well. nonetheless, this thread of all threads is where their fights belong.
b: on page 4, zan outright apologized for being so irritable and on page 5 provided a somewhat solid counterargument. after page 5 he sort of became a spectator of the topic because maxx stepped in, no doubt enticed by the fact that zan pointed out alternative's history of going after maxx