Given the recent shooting and all the forums favorite little kids running around spewing all possible forms of bullstuff from their jowls; I've taken upon myself to revive something Yuki in fact started but died with 75 pages later. May that magnificent bastard's forum soul rest in peace. This topic has left out some of the material in the old topic. This topic is directly related to firearms specifically. I've don't my best to work on this revision and I'm hoping that this topic may help educate and bring your brain to a higher level of understanding of weaponry.
Alright kids, lets blast our way into our first little talk. It's a little something we all know and love as Hollywood(nottheforumuser). (More power to you Hollywood, I love a few films of yours.) Quite a few of us are aware that Hollywood's representation of guns is portrayed very poorly. Understandably too. It's fiction, there really is little realism needed. Guns go bang bang woohoo. Have a cigar.
It's not necessarily the medias fault. For which I will say to you, my student, it is yours. If you have based your entire knowledge of weapons on videogames, movies and fictional portrayals of these fine tools of the trade. Then you should probably keep reading before you go get yourself hurt. I want you to clear your mind of all that you thought you knew. Because once you understand the way things are, it's mindblowing. (Disclaimer: Varies with different people, effects may not be the same with individual subjects. Effects of dizzyness, death, or heartburn should be reported to your local doctor)
With that note, let us study our first specimen of a stereotype. Thank you Yuki for starting with something so simple.
THE SHOTGUN
Don't be surprised. This explanation is slightly different than Yuki's.
A lot of people out there are under the impression that all shotguns are limited to short range spread bursts that are only effective up to a couple of yards.
This is wrong. This is the epitome of wrong. Let's look at some data and different factors.
Types of shotgun barrels:
Rifled
Unrifled
(No I'm not going to go into model detail. Bennelli 30d56 blah. This is the basics of what shotguns DO.)
Media shotguns only go 5 feet. Real shotguns shoot of peoples feet.
SARCASM ASIDE.
TRUE shotguns do not have a little thing called rifling in the barrel. Rifling is a long spiraling groove down the inner barrel of a weapon that sends the projectile into a spin, improving accuracy drastically. A true shotgun is a more effective version of a blunderbuss, A 16th-18th century Jazz cannon. The thing about the blunderbuss is that you can stick whatever you felt like down its huge barrel and send it hurdling towards your enemy at an un-accurate breakneck speed. The modern revision of this (the shotgun) either uses a pump action or breach loading mechanism to quickly reload shells. Shells are preloaded cartridges designed to reduce the time it takes to reload a weapon. This is why we are not using muskets actively in the military anymore except in conventional sports. The modern shotgun uses buckshot for hunting dear (I am in fact aware that there is multiple types of scattershot ammunition. Buckshot is the best example), which has a range of 50 yards or more (this is based off the spread of the shot. Buckshot is recorded to go even farther but with less accuracy.). Yes, the shotgun can and will reach you if you are in that radius. This range is ten times more when using slugs. This goes without being said, a shotgun reaches farther than the media teaches.
Media/Movies often forget that actual civilian weapons are at most times
rifled. Yes
rifled. I don't know why on earth people call a rifle a shotgun. There is actually a significant difference which I stated in the first sentence. The fully rifle shotgun is a handicapped-rifle not a shotgun. The fully rifled shotgun has more in common with the classic definition of a rifle than the classic definition of the shotgun. The fully rifled shotgun is a rifle not a shotgun.
PART 2: Sawn off shotgunsI see you're gangster
I'm pretty gangster myself.
Aside from this, this is the worst thing you can wield in a gun fight. (try hunting with it, you'll still look like a clown)
Yuki has a bettery summary for this than I can put out.
"Sawed Off Shotgun"
I swear, these are in movies all the time, and I can't possibly fathom why, they look ridiculous. In real life, they're even more ridiculous than in a movie. If you've ever shot a 12-Gauge shotgun, you'd know that it puts out enough kick to do some damage to your shoulder, and is loud as stuff. Take off the stock and saw down the barrel, and congratulations: You've created the ultimate wrist-snapping arm-breaking machine. A shotgun is pretty damn hard to fire without a stock, but the barrel puts weight on the front of the gun, which reduces the kick. You've got nothing stopping that gun from sending your hand to the moon.
HANDGUNS/PISTOLS
These are one of the most iconic weapons used in the world, ranging for thousands of different models and beyond. Not much needs to be said about these weapons because their operation is simple and straightforward. Handguns are designed for self defense in the medium range category. You pull out your handgun, and set off several shots in the way of your enemy. looking down the iron sights with a handgun is not common in a "flash combat" situation.
AND ANOTHER THING TO KNOW-
You do not ever pull back a slide with a chambered round. The entire operation of doing so is pointless, it ejects unspent ammo and loses you valuable minutes in an emergency situation. They do this a lot in the movies and it's silly. Assuming you picked up the gun without the magazine in it, with it's slide closed, doing the above is the only time you could deem it necessary. But what was the slide doing closed anyway? Who knows, but next time pick up a weapon with the slider open so you can put in the mag without having to manually chamber the round yourself.
Whenever a handgun runs out of ammo, the slider flys back on the last shot and locks itself to the receiver. It will stay opened until you insert a magazine and release the slide using the switch located on the left side of the gun. Some handgun models I believe automatically close the slider once a magazine is inserted. So depending on your model, remember the basics.
HANDGUN MISCONCEPTIONS:8. Akimbo pistols
If you've ever played airsoft, you know how ridiculously hard it is to shoot someone with a pistol. Your shots seem to land everywhere except your target, and most times you don't even have time to use the ironsights, you're being loving shot at. So double your firepower, it's better right? No, no, no and no. Do you ever see marines with two USP .45's? No. Do you ever see a cop holding two M9's? No. Do you ever see anyone. other than in movies, use two pistols at once? No. That's because it's pretty damn hard to aim one handgun in battle, and out of battle, one bullet is enough stopping power anyway. Holding two guns is added weight and more difficult aiming. That's about it, it just makes it harder to shoot accurately at the benefit of looking cooler if you're wearing a trenchcoat.
10. Magnum = Revolver
No, again. No and no and no until there is no more left. Let me introduce you to the difference between a cartridge and a gun: A cartridge goes IN the gun. A revolver is NOT a magnum. Repeat after me:
THIS IS NOT A MAGNUM.
Magnum is a type of cartridge, usually a large-caliber high-power cartridge; Most commonly the .357 (which is simply a more recent version of the .38 Special cartridge). The .357 magnum cartridge is designed specifically for S&W .357 revolvers, most commonly a Model 686. The Sig Sauer P226-9 series of handguns all fire (more accurately, can be chambered in) .357, but it's .357 SIG, not magnum.
PART 2: MACHINE PISTOLSMachine pistols are modified handguns or purposely manufactured CQB weapons designed for close quarters combat. While handguns and machine pistols are considered precision shooters, it's only at a certain level. These days there is really no need to keep a machine pistol at your side for self defense, and I've rarely seen anyone own them. The fully automatic modification done on traditional handguns is pointless since you're already making a medium range weapon more inaccurate. (Machine Pistol is the proper term for Submachinegun) If you want a machine pistol, buy one that is actually designed for it.
SILENCERS
7. Suppressors (silencers)
...Not really. Possibly every misinformed person who has ever seen an action movie thinks that suppressors change a loud gunshot into a tiny "pew". This is far from the truth. There's a reason they're not called silencers in the real world, you know. They barely lower the volume of sound (I think it's only by like 30 decibels). The actual function of SUPPRESSORS is to SCATTER the sound and cover any muzzleflash. Scatter the sound? Well, it's like this:
When you fire a gun, it's pretty easy to tell where the sound came from; the direction, that is. With a suppressor, it disguises the sound, AND scatters it, so it's much harder to pinpoint:
Not much else to be said except for revolvers and silencers.
Sound is not channeled like the bullet or the gas. Sound appears in various places of a handgun (the revolver) which combines to create what we call the "bang". Putting a suppressor on a revolver does slightly make it quieter, but only isolates a separate source i.e. the gas rushing out of the barrel. The cylinder creates it's own sound, and also has gas escaping through the sides the sound resonates from the back of the shell casing and out various places. Thus making a silencer on a revolver, less effective than a closed bolt system on non revolving handguns.
COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS
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A stripper clip is used to load a magazine, typically of WW2-era automatic rifles like the M1 Garand. A magazine is the box that holds the ammunition before firing. Some guns have built-in magazines (again, WW2-era rifles), but all magazines accomplish the same thing: They hold ammo. Stripper clips are just like airsoft speedloaders, they only load a magazine. Another Fun fact: The only "clip" to remotely resemble a magazine is a gravity feeder which goes onto the top of a weapon like the Bren Gun.
11. MW2 AK-47/AK-47 in general
dood mw2 has sick ak with rails n stuff dog
Shut the forget up sweet jesus.
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Now see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_influenced_by_the_Kalashnikov_design
This is how glorious Kalashnikov is. It's a beautifully crafted, very excellent weapon. It's balanced, reliable, comfortable, and the wood treatment makes it lovey as hell. The problem is that it's only used by stuffhole countries because they're pretty easy to get. The US doesn't use them because they're Russian, and while the AK was being produced, we were heading into the cold war(AK-47 stands for Avtomat Kalashnikova 1947. The first AK series weapon was the 46, which was replaced by the 47, which had a fixed stock). The Russians sold their creations to other countries, stuff went down, and the black market flooded with them. Technically, most AK-47's you find in America aren't even Russian, they're typically Chinese (Norinco and PolyTech are the most common as far as I know). Now down to business:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=what+model+is+the+AK+in+mw2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
I literally can't even find the name of the model that the MW2 AK-47 is based on. I could say it looks like an AK-107, but that's not entirely accurate. Point is: The AK-47 is MW2 is some stuffty knockoff AKM with synthetic stuff on it, and it looks like stuff. In real life it'd probably break.
Now, moving on, most AK-47's you see in media aren't even model 1947's, most of them are AKM (M stands for Modernized). They were improved versions of the AK-47, and I believe they are even more common. Oh and the AKS-74u? Protip: S stands for "sliding". It refers to the sliding/folding stock. There are AKS-47's, but the most popular is the AKS-74. The AK-74 (model 1974 if you haven't caught on) was an AK model that chambered a much smaller 5.45, instead of the usual 7.62. It's an adaptation of the AKM model, which actually results in a more accurate gun, but you lose the awesome power of the 7.62 round, but that generalization I just made leads us to our next one:
12. BIGGER BOOLETS
A common misconception is that guns need a big round to be effective. Let me tell you right now that is completely untrue. A 9mm pistol cartridge is enough to bring down an average man. The pain from being shot is so blinding, any assailant should cease after being put down by that. Here's a Police Officer giving a description:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=467321
It all depends on a huge variety of factors, but typically you don't need some massive .44 Magnum or an assault rifle to combat a person. A hollowpoint 9mm or .45 both have enough stopping power to take a person out.
14. Auto Shotguns
Auto shotguns are mostly only present in CS:S and CoD. They're not that common in the real world for the same reason an automatic pistol isn't. A shotgun produces a lot of recoil with one shell, firing 12 of them in rapid succession is a good way to dislocate your arm (unless you're firing a 20-gauge). Semi-automatic shotguns, however, are only really popular in the civilian world. Shotguns don't really have a place in the military, except for door breaching (overseas we have charges for that, in the states we have door breaching shotguns). Reason being is that a rifle is more efficient than a shotgun in nearly every way in battle. If you read above, you'd realize why a shotgun isn't that good of a weapon. Now make it fire 30 rounds per second and you've got a sweet money-burning gun. Now, the reason semiauto shotguns are popular in the civilian world, is for target shooting. Go Google Tom Knapp, he's the spokesman for Benelli shotguns, and one DAMN FINE shot. Actually I'll do it for you: http://www.tomknapp.net/ Benelli produces exclusively civilian shotguns, both semi automatic and pump action. In summary: YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANY SELF RESPECTING SERVICEMAN USING AN AA-12 BECAUSE IT'S A GIGANTIC MONEY WASTING PIECE OF stuff.
Dodging Bullets
It's loving impossible. I'm not even going to outline the constant string of ridiculous uses of the concept of "dodging bullets", but it's loving impossible. A bullet moves at somewhere between 800-1200 meters per second.
EIGHT HUNDRED TO ONE THOUSAND TWO-HUNDRED METERS PER SECOND
That's 1790-2684 MPH.
It's pretty difficult to dodge loving cars at 80 MPH, and they're HUGE. Imagine a piece of metal the size of your finger hauling ass at TWENTY-FIVE TIMES that speed.
No, you can't deflect bullets with a sword either. It's simply physiologically impossible for a human to react quickly enough to put a blade in front of a bullet.
And since this came up recently allow me to add just a little more here.
"If it looks like an assault rifle it must be an assault rifle" ~huge cigaretteJust a quick pointer:
Say Hello to the AR15 Carbine. A semi automatic, CIVILIAN distributed weapon. By golly, it's beautiful. It follows the same design of the M16 and the M4, and it's used primarily for home defense. It is not automatic and is sold as a sport gun. Now you can LEGALLY make it automatic by buying a bumpfire stock, but its a huge waste anyway. It looks like an assault rifle, which can understandably cause misconception. But before passing judgement on what type of weapon it is, try it out first and look up its model.
Discuss.
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Could you add this to the poll please:
When people say the AK47/AKM fire the all might 7.62mm cartridge they also think that it also used the same round in the M14 and FN Fal. This is not the quite the case. As you can see the nato catridge is much bigger than the soviet catridge. It is also no bigger the 5.56mm.