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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 05:20:53 PM »
You're forgetting what you've wrote. Pathetic...
The quote says that I have abandoned that performance and stylistic outlet. These boys could have talent outside of this act.

He knows most of you know nothing about playing the cello, so he's stringing together terms that can be associated with instruments. Try harder?
What? Reson wanted specifics so I gave them to him.

I'm really done wasting time with this cycle, so if anyone wants to take this up in PM me and be my guest.

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 04:58:11 PM »
I physically seen no talent in any act, ever, in any [y]'s Got Talent shows if I am to go by your logic. Not even that orphan Korean boy who sang a opera. It was average and meh in comparison to other opera artists because I said so.

Props to you to give any criticism. If you want the judges to be Jack of All Trades and excel in everything in order to know about the potential minor problems for a outside that could outright happen, fine.
The problem you listed is extremely minor and someone who just looks for a good show will not give a plain forget about that.
Given the premise of the show, you expect the judges to excel in everything and find out even the most minor complaint in order to discard a potential talent, from cooking, dancing, singing, playing instruments to any other physical thing that could be performed.

Then I guess I'm blasting the show? The point is that this act does not demonstrate exceptional talent.

And what's with the categorization of me? Who are you to decide that I'm the elitist? Did I ever say that I could have done better than this? Look at yourself when you cast someone off as an "elitist friend".

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 04:47:02 PM »
good god why would i want anything else


Starting from the beginning, their grip on the bow is too wide. It is more noticeable on the right, but this habit shows that they are attempting to generate tone in an improper manner. They can move the bow more consistently and create better tone by narrowing their grip. You can't see it in the still image, but the grip is also very rigid. Likely from nervousness, they are holding on very tight when everything should be more relaxed. This holds true even for the intensity they are going for in the style of the song.


The problems with the bow hand I said before are a bit clearer in this shot. You can also see that the hand doing the fingering is flexing inward, which is leading to very sharp and inconsistent vibrato. I tend to have this habit. With the thumb pushing like that, his fingerings are more likely to be less accurate and the vibrato will suffer. Again, his hands and fingers are tense and rigid, which shouldn't happen in any style.

The song isn't technically difficult, so the notes and rhythms line up pretty well, and the remainder is the slides and sul ponticello and whatnot.

They are still learning and aren't professional musicians yet, but they still went out and performed for people, and the judges recognized they have potential. Re-read the rest of my post. The judges know they aren't as good as professional musicians, they know that they aren't world-class acts. They see that they have the ability and courage to play, and inspire them to continue by putting them through to the next round. I honestly can't believe you two brats are honestly getting upset that the audience clapped and cheered for two aspiring musicians. Pathetic.The difference is being shot-down in front of the whole world vs being critiqued in private lessons with an instructor. These are two young boys who are still young with their instrument. Getting BTFO by the judges over a whole bunch of technical imperfections isn't going to encourage them. "There are people who are uncanny, who are finished products at a young age. I wasn't, thank God. That's a quote from Itzhak Perlman, an actual masterclass musician who recognizes that young kids are supposed to sound like young kids. Someone who understands that people who have been playing longer will sound better, and that young kids aren't going to be technically perfect. Someone who understands that it takes time for talent to grow.But it demonstrates potential, which is what the judges saw. You're upset that they didn't show talent, but it's not like they won the competition. They aren't getting awarded anything. I don't see why you, as a "experienced cellist", are trying to say they don't have talent. Do you want to show off that you know more? Do you want to boast about your superiority? Because that's what I get from this thread, especially it's title.
The point is that they need to look to other outlets to improve and refine if that's what they want to do. They have to know that a program like this is not the way to expand their potential. Itzhak Perlman didn't get to where he was today by being evaluated from a panel like this, he built himself up to a level of high talent from where he made mainstream appearances. Please stop regurgitating this garbage, this show it about talent and the talent wasn't presented in the act.

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 04:17:56 PM »
Do you want specifics?

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 04:16:21 PM »
Explain why they don't have talent.

Hm?
What else have I been doing in this entire thread?

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 04:14:38 PM »
I even said in the one post that they very well may be skilled. But this act does not show what talent they may have on a show titled "America's Got Talent".

To continue on what some people aren't noticing, they're not trying to showcase the breadth of their skill with the instrument, they're playing a piece that is crowd-pleasing and interesting, especially because of the unusual nature of their performance (guitar sound being mimicked by cello). The fact that this makes you angry because they did well and the judges liked it means you're just jealous.
Exactly, their America's Got Talent act does not demonstrate talent.

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 04:11:18 PM »
heedi in his paragraph about inspiration and whatnot?

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 04:04:00 PM »
And if you put a magician in front of a bunch of magicians, they won't have the same reaction
And if you put a juggler in front of a bunch of jugglers, they won't have the same reaction
And if you put a chef in front of a bunch of chefs, they won't have the same reaction
"Well guys, if you put them in front of a bunch of people of similar or greater skill, then they won't be impressed!!!!" I don't see how this obvious deduction is supposed to prove anything.

You're an amateur who's talking like he's seen the world. You're explanation has made you seem even lower than you were originally. So now you aren't just upset because you think they aren't good, you're upset because people LIKED them. Holy stuff, you get more pathetic by the second. Their ability to "trap" an "uneducated" audience, do you hear yourself? You're putting yourself on such a high pedestal talking down about the entire audience, the judges, and the players themselves.

They most likely aren't going to win, and they probably won't make it to the finals. But the judges sent them through because they recognize that they have potential and want to hear more of it. The judges understand that these kids aren't professionals, but still show amazement because they want to inspire people to continue pursuing and furthering their talent. By sending them through, it not only encourages them to continue playing, but it inspires people watching to continue furthering their talents as well. The judges recognize that their power isn't just to pick who is the best, but to inspire people to continue pursuing talents and trying new things. They see potential in what a thick-head like you doesn't, and that is the difference between you and them.
Pursuit of this built up on what these judges that don't know the cello told them will only lead them to get shut down if they ever want to be serious about the instrument. What it takes to make a master in any music related field is relentless critique from experience professionals, not mindless bolstering. Your attack about the supposed pedestal I'm placing myself upon is asinine and irrelevant to what I'm saying with my posts. AGT is providing them with an easy pat on the back from people they know they can get a reaction about of without doing much.
I think this is a good representation of the OP.
Demonstrate for me, so that I may too, gauge this talent.
As someone who has been repeatedly exposed to world-class talent and taught what to listen for, my personal skill playing the instrument is not what I was presenting as my basis.

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 03:49:50 PM »
so why don't these guys have talent

because you're better than them?

what a mighty fine high horse you're riding there
i provided my background in my instrument to illustrate that I know something of how to gauge talent, not to insinuate that "i'm better than them so they're talentless". Hell, even in the intro piece it's possible that they could be very skilled for their age, but the act did not show that, objectively. Taboo is already hitting these points in many less words.

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 03:44:10 PM »
Reson, you don't seem to understand that what the majority of people think in gauging talent on an instrument like this is meaningless. The talent ceiling is incredibly high on musical instruments.

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 03:32:09 PM »
Uh. Always. Ever heard of magic?
But the talent there is explicitly in the deception.

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 03:28:48 PM »
And what is talent to you, exactly? Is it just difficulty? Or is it inspiring a crowd?
They played technically average. The crowd got up for the gimmick. A place full of people who know music would not have reacted the same way. Since when is talent based on how gullible your audience is?

Pathetic honestly. It's a true amateur who doesn't appreciate growing musicians who still have much to learn. They're experimenting with an unorthodox style and you're condemning them for trying something. How weak do you have to be to actually get mad at people who are still learning and call them "talentless hacks". You actually got so aggravated that you made a topic about it so you could tell the world that you think you're better. Yea, you might've "gotten over" the 2cellos screeching phase two years ago, but you still haven't gotten over your amateur elitist phase yet. Learn your place, brat.
I don't condemn them personally, but the act and the audience's reaction. Have I actually shown true aggravation at any point in this thread? Am I not permitted to voice my opinion as to the amount of talent this act demonstrated? I truly do not understand where this is coming from, as all this post amounts to is my contemplation on their ability to trap an uneducated audience, like Taboo is saying.

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 03:14:39 PM »
because that makes those two cellists talentless

okay
The act they performed did not showcase talent. What am I missing here?

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Off Topic / Re: itt: talentless hacks
« on: June 25, 2014, 03:11:50 PM »
then why aren't you on tv
because i stopped gunning for the approval of the non-musically educated and actually objectively improving?

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