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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 03:36:59 PM »

-snip- go to other topic.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 03:27:46 PM »

With probabilities of a similar magnitude.

Plus, last time I checked, we have an idea of the age of the Earth. It wasn't infinite. Even if it was billions of years old, it still wouldn't be approaching those probabilities.

Read my post that's 2 posts back, also it didn't have to wait the entire length of time it had to work with in order to be created.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 03:26:27 PM »

I just don't see the point in believing in anything

Because arguing is entertaining.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 03:24:18 PM »

He meant that the earth being 4.5 billion years old isn't a proven fact.

Oh well if we're arguing without logic or intelligence then never mind, I guess duck is entirely correct about everything he's said.

Not if the number of zeros was infinite.

But you would have infinite time. I mean seriously guy, you would be dealing with an amount of time you cannot imagine.

It's still an arbitrary requirement, no matter how much time was taken.  You are dodging the point.  It's a variable, that MUST be there, and therefore, in evolution's eyes, IS there, whether we can prove it or not.  It's a deciding variable out of many deciding variables in evolution, and when you add it all up, it's absolutely bogus.

Many things require luck but still happen. People win the lottery, even when the chance of that is absolutely ridiculous. Also let's not forget that the universe didn't "try," so to speak, to make earth one planet at a time. A lot happened at the same time. It had an absolutely ludicrous amount of attempts all happening at once.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 03:18:45 PM »

But you can't prove that you were given infinite time.  Time is an arbitrary requirement for evolution, made in lieu of having a reasonable, observationally and/or logically supported argument.

But equally obvious is that it wouldn't necessarily take you an infinite amount of time.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 03:16:09 PM »

If you want to know why the big bang theory could have created the earth and why it's probable, think of this; Given a list of EVERY number, 0, 0.000000000000000000001, 0.00000000000000002, and all other numbers (in other words, INFINITE possibilities), and then you picked 1000 numbers and none of those numbers were 1, does that mean that you could never get 1? No. The more numbers you picked, the more likely (considering the total amount of numbers you've chosen) it is that you've picked one.

Given infinite time, it was bound to happen eventually.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 03:05:02 PM »

Mutations isn't the word.  Mutations are genetic anomalies in offspring that have never, ever been shown to be beneficial.

Simple DNA transfer from parent to offspring is not a mutation.  There are no added genes involved.  Therefore, your metaphor is still invalid.

Mutation: The act or process of being altered or changed.

That has nothing to do with being "beneficial." A mutation is a change in DNA.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 02:54:06 PM »

I'm pretty sure that matter didn't materialize into a dinosaur, regardless of what probability claims.

THAT is where evolution comes into play.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 02:52:28 PM »

"Natural selection selects genes, it doesn't create them".

This is correct. Nature decides which genes are better due to the fact that those without "good" genes will die. Though, small mutations are what make some creatures better at survival than others.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 02:46:33 PM »

But collection of atoms is not enough to generate life. You'd need to have some pretty fancy probabilities in there to make it turn into a bacteria. Its not impossible, just enormously improbable. Infinite time alone doesn't do anything. Your poor atoms don't get any smarter because they've sat there. They move around a bit and interact, perhaps form and break down from elements, but ultimately life isn't made.

No no no. I'm not saying anything about how life was created. I'm saying that a large amount of small changes can create one or more big changes, which he denies. That is the basis of evolution.

EDIT: Also if you admit is possible, then why don't you believe it? There were an unimaginably large amount of chances for the universe to get it right. -ignorance snip-

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 02:38:07 PM »

Five million times zero is still zero, so no, it's not possible.

Let's think about this for more than five seconds, shall we?

A change versus no change. Is a change more than no change? Yes. Therefore, if no change is decided as the numerical value "0," then a change has to be a numeric value greater than 0. 5million times something more than 0 is not zero, but rather, something even more than zero.

If you would rather have a metaphor for evolution, fine.

Lets take small picture of a circle on MSpaint. You send the picture to 1 person, and he adds a dot. He sends it to someone else, and that person adds a square. Then that person sends it to someone else, who adds a line. Eventually, you get the picture back. All the changes to the picture would make it something that is not a circle. Now, do not take this as a perfect metaphor. Generally evolution will not create a worse species (aside from maybe humans devolving due to medical advances) due to the fact that those with defects generally die off. But, nevertheless it is an adequate example that can be used to explain how small changes can add up to large changes (since this concept was clearly too complex for you to comprehend).

Many small changes can add up to bigger changes. The only conceivable way evolution would not work the way they say it works is if changes in DNA cannot be hereditary.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 11:58:17 AM »

Ever since we discovered it, we've put electricity through everything we can find, and we sure as hell couldn't do it.

I had originally thought we had accomplished something to prove it, but I was unsure so I didn't say anything about it. It seems like you're probably right, though. I can only find things proving that no one has done it yet.

But, if they do ever succeed, that pretty much solidifies that theory/hypothesis in the scientific community.

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Off Topic / Re: Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

« on: February 19, 2010, 11:51:43 AM »

Don't start this dolt/idiot crap. We all have, at least, a high school education here.

I fail to believe that from space dust, bacteria was made. That is where the buck stops for me.
From a big bang, things moshed around until planets of variable type were made, and a Earth type thing was made, but how did bacteria evolve from elements and compounds?
We have, as of yet, been unable to create bacteria from pure elements and compounds without bacteria already there.

Primordial soup.  Basically, all the elements necessary to create life were on earth, and then lightning struck and allowed things to live. Though I'm no expert, you should consult someone more knowledgeable for a better explanation.

wat
I can believe that we and monkeys are similar
but then, why are monkeys still on the planet if we evolved from them?
some got held back?

Evolution doesn't mean all of a sudden everything in a species turned into a new species. If humans evolved, we wouldn't all of a sudden turn into space traveling fish birds. A few people would have children with very small genetic differences, and over time more and more differences between those children and normal humans would develop, eventually creating a new species. The same goes for monkeys.

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Off Topic / Re: if today was your last day and you knew it

« on: February 18, 2010, 05:25:25 PM »

wat would u do
i would go still a shotgun from walmart and kill some people

Columbine.

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Off Topic / Re: The Crucible

« on: February 18, 2010, 12:47:41 AM »

It was a good play, but not good enough for me to remember anything from it.