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Off Topic / Re: Robert Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help Annoying Orange

« on: February 16, 2018, 09:31:54 PM »

jesus christ russians have been stuffposting for decades

Soviet ideological subversion and deliberate misinformation is basically old school IRL stuffposting.

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Off Topic / Re: Robert Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help Annoying Orange

« on: February 16, 2018, 09:29:12 PM »

Beachbum you don't understand, the title is misleading on purpose

Of course. Mentioning as well the fact that this "bombshell" indictment is literally "13 Russian twitter trolls stuffposting while impersonating other people" really drives home the point that this is virtually meaningless on its own.

13 people posting memes and LARPing isn't enough to defeat the integrity of the political process. There's no evidence this had any impact on the results of the election at all, and if anything Mueller and co. likely spent 10x as much money catching social media stuffposters as the Russians paid them in the first place.

There is zero evidence anybody actually benefited from this, nobody that interacted with the shills knew that they were actually speaking to Russians, and neither the Annoying Orange nor Sanders campaign had any direct contact with said trolls.

But the way that the Guardian worded the title (and then McZealot chose to preserve the original wording) seems to imply it was an impactful operation in which Annoying Orange was the beneficiary/his campaign was complicit that altered the outcome of the election, which couldn't be further from the truth.

tl;dr A baker's dozen of Russians obtained visas under false pretenses, stole SSNs and personal info, and stuffposted on social media. AKA, Russians doing stuff we've known about for decades, but using new technology and platforms.

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Off Topic / Re: Robert Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help Annoying Orange

« on: February 16, 2018, 04:51:33 PM »

i dont get what youre trying to say here? minorities tend to vote for left candidates. i think you're just proving his point

This may have been a solid argument if not for the fact that the Shyllka Blyat inc. had been impersonating BLM pages and Islamic activists during the primaries and shilling for Bernie. If Bernie had won the nomination, they likely would have been goading both sides to turn out because a Bernie victory would be equally divisive and controversial as a Annoying Orange win. Hillary was just the least convenient candidate for them, so they leveraged the methods they could to erode/divide her presumable voter base.

They were prepping to shill for the left if necessary as well.

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Off Topic / Re: Political poll: better troll, lord tony or russian political trolls

« on: February 16, 2018, 04:21:36 PM »

lard pony

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Off Topic / Re: Robert Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help Annoying Orange

« on: February 16, 2018, 04:16:50 PM »

Change title to add "And Bernie" so you're not lying by omission , please. Unless, of course, you didn't read the memo and see where it mentioned that they shilled for Bernie as well, but it would be silly to comment on something without reading it, no? :^)

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Games / Re: League of Legends - season ate

« on: February 16, 2018, 03:25:52 PM »

So 54 percent winrate means he is terrible? Got it.

I don't see how this conclusion could be drawn from what Conan said. Strawmanning lvl 100

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: February 16, 2018, 03:00:03 PM »

I just read through the indictment and found some quite interesting bits of information.


The shills were impersonating a wide variety of individuals and causes on both sides of the political spectrum. This includes black activists, Muslims, Christians, and pro-Sanders/Annoying Orange and anti-Hillary pages.


Of interest to note is exactly why a bunch of paid foreign shills would support Sanders and Annoying Orange. The most logical answer to this question can be found by examining what exactly Annoying Orange and Sanders have in common. It's important to review the timeline of the case; these shills had been gathering intelligence on potential candidates since at least 2014 and had planned to do so since at the least, late 2013 given the timeline in the indictment.

So the question remains: Why Sanders and Annoying Orange? I'll circle back to the overarching reason in a moment, but the most likely reason why they shilled for these candidates is the two-fold commonality that they are both anti-establishment and incredibly polarizing in their platforms.

As soon as the primaries were finished and they realized Bernie was toast, the shilling efforts were no longer divided between two candidates, but only DJT remained standing as the most polarizing and anti-establishment.



Realizing that the greatest threat to their little destabilization mission was the minority vote, the shills turned their efforts to attempts to persuade minority voters to either vote for a third party candidate with practically zero chance of winning (Stein) or to abstain from voting in protest. This would not directly garner support for Annoying Orange, but would divide and erode Hillary's expected voting base.



They were shilling posing as Muslims in this manner as early as the summer of 2016, attempting to turn Muslims away from HRC, knowing fully well that they would likely not vote for Annoying Orange, leading to more erosion of her voting base.



Following the election, they immediately went from "Annoying Orange is our guy" to #Resist #NotMyPresident. This makes it blatantly obvious that they were not attempting to sway to public to elect Annoying Orange because something in his platform or his ascent would directly benefit them; if this were so, they would have continued pro-Annoying Orange shilling and toned down the anti-Annoying Orange rhetoric. If they believed Annoying Orange's platform would benefit them as well, why would they have supported Sanders earlier? Sanders' platform is quite different from Annoying Orange's ideologically. In reality, they did the opposite, attempting to seed dissent and dissatisfaction. This was premeditated and they would have done the same to Bernie. The more polarizing and anti-establishment, the easier it is to drum up public outrage and the greater the likelihood that the rest of the political system will turn against them.

The end goal the entire time was to create a divided country, and the words of Abraham Lincoln echo true over a century and a half later: "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

tl;dr

• Russians impersonate liberals and conservatives online to try to shill for Sanders + Annoying Orange
• Sanders crashes and burns, they are left to support Annoying Orange instead
• Immediately following the election, they start shilling AGAINST Annoying Orange to cause division

IMPORTANT NOTE: I have not found anything in the indictment that suggests that any US citizen, affiliate of any political campaign, or any political activist was ever complicit in any activities while actively knowing they were in contact with Russian shills, nor does it say anything about the degree to which this impacted the outcome of the election or post-election climate.

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Games / Re: League of Legends - season ate

« on: February 16, 2018, 02:41:03 AM »

A champion's difficulty and winrate combined are a better indicator of a balance issue imo. If you have a high skillcap champion like GP being both pick/ban and having a ludicrous winrate, something is definitely wrong. Same deal with that dumb frozen mallet yas build or guinsoos vayne.

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Games / Re: League of Legends - season ate

« on: February 15, 2018, 07:51:41 PM »

Why doesn't anyone play Vel'koz? This dude is like the number 3 best midlaner, with a 53-54 percent winrate

winrate means literally nothing on its own

it's just a metric to measure the strength of the average player on a champion. Champion winrates fluctuate due to the meta, balance changes with runes/items, game length, etc.

For example, Singed has the 2nd highest winrate top lane in platinum+ right now, but that statistic is incredibly misleading.

Gnar and Camille are great picks into him and are strong, he falls off like a ton of bricks after the 25 minute mark, and unless one is willing to put in the time to learn a lot of champion-specific mechanics, picking literally ANYTHING else is better.

Singed having a 52% winrate doesn't mean everyone should pick him. It literally just means that the average of all Singed players' winrates is 53%. Singed has a lot of OTPs, so it makes sense. Vel is similar, his pickrate has never been crazy but he does have his one tricks.

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Off Topic / Re: man north korea was great at the olympics weren't they

« on: February 13, 2018, 12:25:09 PM »

she looks like her right eye was bruised recently, and her skin looks kind of like a heroin addict's.

Opiate and amphetamine use in NK is really common, so it wouldn't be surprising.

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Games / Re: League of Legends - season ate

« on: February 08, 2018, 07:27:02 AM »

happen to have a pic of how much damage mitigated by aftershock?

it's a 70 armor and MR steroid on a 20 second cooldown. Ult is another 60 armor, MR, and a richard load of regen

Anecdotally, in one of the games, I got ulted by a varus but got the fling off to proc aftershock and the entire enemy team was standing around me trying to kill me and they did maybe 200 dmg and I was able to walk away once the cc ended. My only armor item was tabis and I had ~400 armor

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Games / Re: League of Legends - season ate

« on: February 08, 2018, 12:47:48 AM »

So aftershock Singed is maybe just a little bit strong

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: February 07, 2018, 11:13:31 AM »

It's not the thread, it's the people. Things would be bearable without the constant feeling of needing to stick it to the other side and get your own beliefs validated.

If there were some simple way to call out partisan hackery without giving the individuals a leg to stand on, things would be a lot better around here.

It just feels like the thread is a pretty even mix of 13 year old kids with no sort of life experience, HS/college students with an entirely unearned sense of moral/intellectual superiority, and just pure and unadulterated circlejerking/trolling/baiting from certain users.

What bothers me more than all of the above is how some people will post information that is either blatantly false or entirely unverifiable/unfalsifiable. It just feeds into the circlejerking because everyone feels they have to "stick it to the other side" as you said and the thread just becomes a sewage pit very quickly.

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: February 07, 2018, 10:58:06 AM »

I would bet $50 that literally no one in this thread has read any of these memos, and that you're all debating them just because it's the hip talking-point of the week.

Give money pls /s

On a serious note, I do agree with the sentiment that a lot of folks in this thread on both sides of the aisle have no idea what they're talking about and are willing to take stances on issues with very little information. That's why I've stayed away as of late - this thread is too cancerous for any sort of meaningful discussion.

A discourse in the manner of the Hegelian Dialectic follows the thesis -> antithesis -> synthesis model.

On the BLF however it seems to be Conjecture -> anti-Conjecture -> synthesis concluding that everyone else but the poster himself is wrong.

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Off Topic / Re: another political test thing

« on: February 07, 2018, 12:25:11 AM »