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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 10:13:27 PM »

y'all need to retake history

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 10:06:42 PM »

life would go on normally
not that hard to understand

the iranian revolution? both gulf wars? 9/11? do those events ring any bells or whistles?

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 10:03:55 PM »

yeah it really is
when i say it doesn't matter, i mean life would go on just the same.
if you saw a world where harriet tubman did and did not bring the slaves over, everything would be visibly the same.
if you saw a world where the american indians weren't forced west, you might notice some more american indians in the east. that's about it. everything would be the same. a world without the pyramids? no pyramids. a world without the holocaust? some more jews and happy palestinians. not really that big. i doubt it would affect any person here's personal life. life would go on either way.

my god you are really dumb aren't you

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 10:03:05 PM »

did you even read the links I provided in my post or is your head so far stuck up your own ass you didn't see them?

"Under the guise of reform, many offices were doled out as rewards for political services. Newspaper editors who had championed Jackson's cause, some of them very unsavory characters, came in for special favor. His most appalling appointee was an old army comrade and political sycophant named Samuel Swartwout. Against all advice, Jackson made him collector of the New York City customhouse, where the government collected nearly half its annual revenue. In 1838, Swartwout absconded with more than $1 million, a staggering sum for that day.
Jackson denied that political criteria motivated his appointments, claiming honesty and efficiency as his only goals. Yet he accepted an officeholder's support for Adams as evidence of unfitness, and in choosing replacements he relied exclusively on recommendations from his own partisans. A Jackson senator from New York, William L. Marcy, defended Jackson's removals by proclaiming frankly in 1832 that in politics as in war, "to the victor belong the spoils of the enemy." Jackson was never so candid—or so cynical. Creating the "spoils system" of partisan manipulation of the patronage was not his conscious intention. Still, it was his doing."

That spoils system really did help, huh.

"But the astute stewardship of new Bank president Nicholas Biddle did much to repair its reputation in the 1820s. By 1828, when Jackson was first elected, the Bank had ceased to be controversial. Indeed, most informed observers deemed it indispensable."

Glad to know that Jackson was a total jackass too.

I'm not even going to bother with the wikipedia one because that's literally a listing of polls where people say their favorite president and it has no substance whatsoever.

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:46:21 PM »

because it's completely irrelevant? what didn't happen doesn't have anything to do with what did.
in a specific situation, which i replied to.
no one called american indians lazy
no one said the europeans were in the right.
the american indians wanted to live like they were, but we wanted their land. we moved them out to stufftier and stufftier land. the europeans wanted the indians to act like them, and the indians wanted the europeans to go away. today most of them do not practice the traditions they had which they wanted their land for. all of them have been at least partially assimilated. all of them today that "want their land back" have nothing to back it except for deals their ancestors made with other peoples' ancestors. they're moot. it's not their land. they never owned it.

the point is that the american indians who are living today did not experience the trail of tears directly and should not use it as any sort of argument for trying to get more of their land back. they didn't experience it. they should live on what the government gave to their ancestors and not whine, or live with the rest of the society our ancestors created.

there was tons of racism back then and there is racism now. it was and is wrong and bad. there is no point for it. but things in the past cannot be changed. something that affected your ancestors does not affect you. just because my ancestor made a deal with your ancestor does not mean i am obligated to honor that deal with you. both parties involved are no longer existent. the deal is gone.

alright, awesome, you can't change the past and people shouldn't pay for the sins of their fathers.

we can all agree you're dumb for saying any part of history doesn't matter, though.

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Games / Re: FALLOUT 4 TRAILER CONFIRMED

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:41:55 PM »

his point was that the skyrim dungeons are all linear. the images you posted all attest to that fact.

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:37:42 PM »

-snip-

considering the fact that there was a major recession right after his presidency (that could probably be attributed to the closure of the bank or something) there was probably a less violent way he could've reformed the bank.

the spoils system was a not a fair or sound system. it rewarded people on the basis of their relationship to jackson and not on their ability. while it would've allowed jackson to have more control over the government, i'd rather not have a system based on favors.

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:27:51 PM »

I think it's more people arguing the significance of it. I don't care or am indifferent on the matter because I didn't experience it, I'm not trying to downplay how horrible the trail of tears must have been, but I'm not going to go crying about how people should recognize me for stuff my ANCESTORS went through. That's petty as forget in my opinion, and pretty low to stoop (looking at you, sjws that still bitch about slavery)

it's because the government of the USA made signed agreements with the native americans pertaining to land that were supposed to be honored, but were mostly ignored during that era.

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Off Topic / Re: The drama is painful for mario0126

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:22:07 PM »

Im not against him at all. The whole bully thing is just hilarious (I mean, actual bullies are terrible but were just joking).

i mean, sure yeah, i guess some people are joking, but outright calling somebody handicapped seems like a really stuffty joke to me.

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:21:25 PM »

the color of their skin did not effect their thinking in wanting to continue their lives as they were, no.

he was talking about racism

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:18:56 PM »

He had their interests at heart.

a spoils system where he awards friends with political office, the closure of the second national bank, and causing a deep recession are not the interests of the people.

jackson comes off as somebody who had his own political career in heart rather than the people's interests.

race is not culture. culture kept them wanting their land away from the americans to practice life as they did. race has nothing to do with anything as usual.

i'm starting to think you actually don't know us history.

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:14:51 PM »

maybe they should stop living in their trailers in the wilderness and join society like normal people or stop complaining

if you go by a general "don't be a richard to people" policy. world problems solved.

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Off Topic / Re: The drama is painful for mario0126

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:13:53 PM »

i'm pretty sure he's either a kid or english isn't his first language. this just makes you seem like a bunch of roosters, lol. i agree that was he did is stuffty, but it doesn't deserve something like this, considering he apologized nicely and actually genuinely wants your forgiveness.

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Forum Games / Re: Sid Jairo's Europa Forumalis: Victoriuh - REMEMBER THE AYYLAMO

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:11:40 PM »

zombi should be bumping around somewhere

he's probably stuck in his ricefields

UUURRRRGGGGHHHH

CHINA IS BIG. CHINA IS CLUMSY. IT TAKES A VERY LONG TIME TO GET ANYTHING DONE IN CHINA.

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Off Topic / Re: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill

« on: May 12, 2015, 09:10:22 PM »

nah i'm not going down into butterfly effect-esque bullstuff. obviously everything that has happened has some small effect. someone who died could've had a long family tree that extended into a bunch more and caused a bunch of people and and and. there is nothing here that you can look back at and say "oh yep there it is, that's what changed. that caused it." andrew jackson pushed slaves west, some died. harriet tubman saved some slaves. big whoop. it doesn't affect us in the long run.

what? we're still dealing with the implications of indian genocide and the trail of tears as a whole. essentially, the trail of tears prompted the construction of more reservations and a lingering animosity in the american indian population, which would surface in the various conflicts between indians and settlers that would later come, including the wounded knee incident of 1973 (unsure of the exact date).

in addition, the indians in the area took the US government to the supreme court and (if i remember correctly) won. andrew jackson overrode the court's discussion, which prompted a discussion on the power of the president and the position of native americans as citizens. both of these would resurface throughout us history, continuing to the debates and conflicts over presidential power today.

this stuff SURE AS forget effects us in the long run.

Hey how about you both are being idiots and we can be done with this?