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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 06:47:26 PM »
Alright guys, I'm bailing from this thread so you can jack eachother off and declare victory.
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 06:45:34 PM »
That pic is legendary.
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« on: June 07, 2018, 06:44:08 PM »"jokes on u i was only pretending to forget children"Uh, no, I still agree with everything I've said in this thread. Trying to grasp at something? I'm just surprised at the rate a news thread turned into a raging debate on child enthusiasm.
I'm impervious to your memes, fool. You think you irritate me even one tenth as much as KruppLancaster?
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 06:40:56 PM »
Wtf, this thread has 5 pages? What even is BLF? Haven't been on for a long time, this is why I love this place.
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 06:39:24 PM »child enthusiasts belong in prisons where they cant touch childrenRight, a prison...
...where they will get released...
...and rape kids.
Unlike an institution...
...which can't release dangerous inmates...
...so they can't rape kids.
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 06:36:27 PM »
Right... everyone acts shocked when I say that the best way to protect children is to put child enthusiasts in institutions rather than prisons. But they can never really tell me why. Prisons release child enthusiasts once the sentence is up, which re-introduces them into society, but with nothing to lose and a vengeance that will motivate them to commit crimes against children. Institutions wont release someone who is a danger to society until they are determined to be 'cured' through therapy (or, in extreme cases, I'd support chemical sterilization). Once sterilized or medicated, they are no longer a danger to children, and thus can't be held responsible for actions committed while they were in an altered state of mind (due to their mental illness).
Also, I'm a very unusually strong vegan. I find it a little hard to be intimidated by a lanky internet troll.
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 06:29:45 PM »... that quote isn't even a little bit unreasonable, lol. Are you in denial about something?
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« on: June 07, 2018, 06:25:06 PM »Your sources is the guy whos body is composed of 70% soy?What? I quoted New York Times, Times, and Washington Post?
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 06:23:51 PM »My dude--I was brief. He asked for my sources, so I provided several alongside specific excerpts that support said facts. The forget else do you want me to do?
If you want to scream like a caveman scared to change his beliefs, that's okay, but don't try to pretend there's an actual reasoning behind it. That's simply disingenuous.
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 06:19:30 PM »yeah kiddo i'm gonna need some sources on this one :/I get the feeling you don't really want to know the answer--more to catch me in a lie--but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and cite these commonly affected facts. I can't spend all day citing everything I know, but a quick way to absorb a lot of data on the issue might to check out John Oliver's Prison episode, although I don't find him very funny. I'm sure there are good documentaries on the subject--just search 'private prison' on /r/documentaries. I'll cite three different highly reputable newspapers.
It seems the three main facts you're questioning are:
1. Private Prisons negatively affect the court system through lobbying.
How for-profit prisons have become the biggest lobby no one is talking about
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The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO and Corrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute
2. Private Prisons prevent inmates from being released through parole
Privately-Run Prisons Hold Inmates Longer, Study Finds
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A study by Wisconsin School of Business assistant professor Anita Mukherjee found that inmates held in private prisons in Mississippi from 1996 to 2004 served 4% to 7% longer than inmates serving similar sentences in public prisons. [...] Mukherjee found that inmates in private prisons were 15% more likely to get an infraction. And it’s those violations that a parole board looks at when deciding whether to release an inmate early based on good behavior.
3. Private Prisons do not save money, leeching off the taxpayer
Private Prisons Found to Offer Little in Savings
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Despite a state law stipulating that private prisons must create “cost savings,” the state’s own data indicate that inmates in private prisons can cost as much as $1,600 more per year, while many cost about the same as they do in state-run prisons. The research, by the Arizona Department of Corrections, also reveals a murky aspect of private prisons that helps them appear less expensive: They often house only relatively healthy inmates.
Remember, these aren't my opinions. This is the generally accepted theory to explain a series of facts.
mczealot needs to learn brevityUnfortunately, there's no way to explain these issues with brevity--especially when you find your claims contested. You can either read it or decide you aren't interested.
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 06:05:16 PM »
I get that you're trying to troll, but are you really not disturbed that the state of Oklahoma--and by proxy the United States, the second largest democracy in the world--is imprisoning people at a rate higher than any other place in the world? Be it the increasingly fascistic Russian state or the literal Communist oligarchy in China, our prisons put them to shame. You think we commit twice as many crimes as people in South Africa? Oklahoma isn't even close to the most crime-ridden state, and America isn't even close to the most crime-ridden country. So why do you think the United States has the highest rate of incarceration in the world? Do you genuinely believe this wasteland is the most dangerous place on Earth? Or do you think there might be underlying problems in our political structure that create incentives to imprison those who struggle to 'contribute to society' due to their mental health or low income?
Like geeze, if you really don't know what to say about an issue you should probably just keep your mouth shut. Trying to weigh in with snide arrogance on something you don't understand rarely ends well.
Like geeze, if you really don't know what to say about an issue you should probably just keep your mouth shut. Trying to weigh in with snide arrogance on something you don't understand rarely ends well.
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 05:54:26 PM »
It's actually because public policy is engineered to send as many poor people towards prisons as possible due to the private prison industry doing HEAVY political lobbying in the area. Especially the precedent of sending mentally ill people to prisons rather than institutions as a cost-saving measure.
A high incarceration rate doesn't mean we have better police, it means the bar for an 'imprisonable offense' has lowered, likely in tandem with the rising profits of a privatized prison industry. It also means that non-violent offenders are being given increasingly length sentences (see: mandatory minimums) as a method of funneling new meat into the prison factory. Here's something interesting: when determining parole (supervised release from prison), courts use testimony from officers and administrators at the prison regarding the inmate's behavior. This makes sense, until you realize that the prisons themselves~~the officers, administrators, and sadly, lobbyists~~benefit directly from keeping that jail at MAX capacity. They are being asked to willingly give up a small source of income, and subconsciously or overtly, provide more critical testimony of the client to ensure they remain in prison. This is why statistics show a significantly lower chance of parole from a private prison than a state-run prison.
Remember that "private prisons" aren't saving money, they're saving time and effort. The government still pays the guards, cafeteria workers, and administrators through stipends provided on a per-inmate basis. This means the full cost of the prison--and more, like lobbying and research costs--are coming from the public dollar. You are literally paying to be kept as a slave.
A high incarceration rate doesn't mean we have better police, it means the bar for an 'imprisonable offense' has lowered, likely in tandem with the rising profits of a privatized prison industry. It also means that non-violent offenders are being given increasingly length sentences (see: mandatory minimums) as a method of funneling new meat into the prison factory. Here's something interesting: when determining parole (supervised release from prison), courts use testimony from officers and administrators at the prison regarding the inmate's behavior. This makes sense, until you realize that the prisons themselves~~the officers, administrators, and sadly, lobbyists~~benefit directly from keeping that jail at MAX capacity. They are being asked to willingly give up a small source of income, and subconsciously or overtly, provide more critical testimony of the client to ensure they remain in prison. This is why statistics show a significantly lower chance of parole from a private prison than a state-run prison.
Remember that "private prisons" aren't saving money, they're saving time and effort. The government still pays the guards, cafeteria workers, and administrators through stipends provided on a per-inmate basis. This means the full cost of the prison--and more, like lobbying and research costs--are coming from the public dollar. You are literally paying to be kept as a slave.
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Off Topic / [NEWS] Oklahoma now leads nation with highest incarceration rate, study finds
« on: June 07, 2018, 05:35:38 PM »
http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/oklahoma-now-leads-nation-with-highest-incarceration-rate-study-finds/article_0561c981-5e48-51a0-812e-19c22b33f55d.html
We've also lead the nation in female incarceration for a long time.
...and I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free...
We've also lead the nation in female incarceration for a long time.
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Oklahoma has overtaken Louisiana as the state with the highest incarceration rate in the United States, according to a new study.
The state of Oklahoma's incarceration rate is 1,079 per 100,000 people, leading the nation after previously sitting at No. 2, according to the Prison Policy Initiative.
The nonprofit organization's report also states that Oklahoma incarcerates people at higher rates than all countries with a population of at least 500,000.
...and I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free...
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« on: May 20, 2018, 04:04:40 PM »
Just contact UPS and report package not delivered. You might also contact Ebay.
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Off Topic / Re: Hard Rock And Metal Megathread - Post Rock and Talk.
« on: April 30, 2018, 08:50:57 PM »
Hard to pick just three, but I think my all time favorite metal songs would be:
Bad Religion ~ Motörhead
Favorite part:
For Whom The Bell Tolls ~ Metallica
Favorite part:
Hallowed Be Thy Name ~ Iron Maiden
Favorite part:
Bad Religion ~ Motörhead
Favorite part:
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Evangelistic national socialists, you cannot frighten me
The name you take in vain shall judge you for eternity
I spit in the eye of Satan
Spit right in your eye too
You are the spooks you're chasing
You know not what you do
For Whom The Bell Tolls ~ Metallica
Favorite part:
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Take a look to the sky just before you die
It is the last time you will
Blackened roar massive roar fills the crumbling sky
Shattered goal fills his soul with a ruthless cry
Stranger now, are his eyes, to this mystery
He hears the silence so loud
Crack of dawn, all is gone except the will to be
Now they see what will be, blinded eyes to see
Hallowed Be Thy Name ~ Iron Maiden
Favorite part:
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When the priest comes to read me the last rights
I take a look through the bars at the last sights
Of a world that has gone very wrong for me
Can it be theres some sort of error
Hard to stop the surmounting terror
Is it really the end not some crazy dream?
Somebody please tell me that Im dreaming
Its not easy to stop from screaming
But the words escape me when I try to speak