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Forum Games / Re: Cross Country Run [What do you want to know?]
« on: September 15, 2015, 05:44:34 PM »
why does he wear the mask
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Off Topic / Re: So I'm changing my name, what do I make my middle name?
« on: September 15, 2015, 03:09:43 PM »
i think this whole post was just a well disguised "danger is my middle name" joke
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Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1951]
« on: September 15, 2015, 02:44:20 PM »except corporate welfare in america, apparently
never said that wasn't socialist
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Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1951]
« on: September 15, 2015, 02:38:03 PM »Spain will begin working on basic rocketry research once they enter the new year
Spain begins to pull out of South Korea, seeing the tip and advantage of the communists in numbers. Spain will no longer be supporting the Korean war.
reference: http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=285077.msg8578996#msg8578996
north korea has no numerical advantage, the chinese are placed defensively
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Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1951]
« on: September 15, 2015, 06:35:50 AM »wtf
why this is good for the people of the earth
this, if anything, is more pro-democratic than pro-communist
actually stuff like welfare is super socialist
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Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1951]
« on: September 14, 2015, 08:18:49 PM »let me think on that
still thinking on that huh
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Off Topic / Re: Can the average musket from the 1500s - 1600s pierce plate armour?
« on: September 14, 2015, 06:18:48 PM »
sorry guys im gonna get physicsy on you
this is a .75 cal musket ball, fairly common in flintlock designs like the british brown bess
this is a .223 cal bullet (in its cartridge) better known as 5.56x45mm- M4s, M16s, and M429 SAWs are a few weapons that fire this
please note the differences in size. we're not counting the added length or width of the bullet's cartridge, because the ball doesn't come with a cartridge packed with powder like the bullet does.
now, it's very important to note that the ball is propelled by black powder, and the bullet is propelled by smokeless powder. modern smokeless powder is pretty potent compared to the black powder of the plate armor era.
with that aside, it's also very important to note how pressure works. if we were to make that 5.56mm bullet 10-15 grains heavier, the muzzle velocity would indeed be lower. however, due to the fact that the pressure is directly kept up by the bullet's presence in the barrel, the increase in recoil is what you'll notice a lot more.
so, in short, a good way to measure the stopping power of these rounds is by how much stopping power it hits your shoulder with when you fire it.
and i'm pretty sure there's a lot more recoil in a musket than a small-arms carbine.
that being said, we now have to tackle the shape of these projectiles.
the ball is aerodynamically inefficient in comparison to a bullet fired from a rifled barrel, and as a result will be slowed down by drag faster. this is part of why muskets are bad at long range. however, you can get relatively close in musket-vs-melee combat, in comparison to rifle-vs-rifle combat, which is what we see today.
also, the shape means that the energy applied to whatever gets hit by these projectiles yet again gives the bullet an advantage. think of the tip of a table knife, and the tip of a steak knife. you can poke stuff very easily with the steak knife, but the table knife? nah.
same principle applies in ballistic entry.
i'd say the 5.56mm round will penetrate more than the musket ball.
now let's consider armor quality.
iirc, at 600 meters, you'll get about 3mm entry from NATO-quality ball ammo through rolled homogenous armor - which is basically steel plating.
at closer ranges, like 50m, i'd say you could get about 5-6mm of entry from this same bullet.
now, medieval plate armor had about 1.5-3.25 inches of thickness, so any modern rifle could probably murder a knight in shining armor pretty easily.
HOWEVER, we've forgotten to take one incredibly important fact into account: modern steel and medieval steel are not the same quality at all. they are remarkably similar, though, so i'd say that 5.56mm ammo would only go another mm or two in.
so, if this .75 caliber ball with far superior weight compared to the 5.56mm bullet has even HALF the entry of the 5.56mm bullet, it could theoretically penetrate any part of your plate armor.
now let's add in a few fun and unpredictable variables: armor angling, distance, and the reliability of the human hand in pouring precise amounts of powder into a musket.
suddenly... the musket has trouble reliably penetrating. however, it's still a very real danger.
IN CONCLUSION, THE MUSKET WAS INDEED DANGEROUS BUT WAS NOT COMPLETELY RELIABLE FOR PENETRATING ARMOR.
this is a .75 cal musket ball, fairly common in flintlock designs like the british brown bess
this is a .223 cal bullet (in its cartridge) better known as 5.56x45mm- M4s, M16s, and M429 SAWs are a few weapons that fire this
please note the differences in size. we're not counting the added length or width of the bullet's cartridge, because the ball doesn't come with a cartridge packed with powder like the bullet does.
now, it's very important to note that the ball is propelled by black powder, and the bullet is propelled by smokeless powder. modern smokeless powder is pretty potent compared to the black powder of the plate armor era.
with that aside, it's also very important to note how pressure works. if we were to make that 5.56mm bullet 10-15 grains heavier, the muzzle velocity would indeed be lower. however, due to the fact that the pressure is directly kept up by the bullet's presence in the barrel, the increase in recoil is what you'll notice a lot more.
so, in short, a good way to measure the stopping power of these rounds is by how much stopping power it hits your shoulder with when you fire it.
and i'm pretty sure there's a lot more recoil in a musket than a small-arms carbine.
that being said, we now have to tackle the shape of these projectiles.
the ball is aerodynamically inefficient in comparison to a bullet fired from a rifled barrel, and as a result will be slowed down by drag faster. this is part of why muskets are bad at long range. however, you can get relatively close in musket-vs-melee combat, in comparison to rifle-vs-rifle combat, which is what we see today.
also, the shape means that the energy applied to whatever gets hit by these projectiles yet again gives the bullet an advantage. think of the tip of a table knife, and the tip of a steak knife. you can poke stuff very easily with the steak knife, but the table knife? nah.
same principle applies in ballistic entry.
i'd say the 5.56mm round will penetrate more than the musket ball.
now let's consider armor quality.
iirc, at 600 meters, you'll get about 3mm entry from NATO-quality ball ammo through rolled homogenous armor - which is basically steel plating.
at closer ranges, like 50m, i'd say you could get about 5-6mm of entry from this same bullet.
now, medieval plate armor had about 1.5-3.25 inches of thickness, so any modern rifle could probably murder a knight in shining armor pretty easily.
HOWEVER, we've forgotten to take one incredibly important fact into account: modern steel and medieval steel are not the same quality at all. they are remarkably similar, though, so i'd say that 5.56mm ammo would only go another mm or two in.
so, if this .75 caliber ball with far superior weight compared to the 5.56mm bullet has even HALF the entry of the 5.56mm bullet, it could theoretically penetrate any part of your plate armor.
now let's add in a few fun and unpredictable variables: armor angling, distance, and the reliability of the human hand in pouring precise amounts of powder into a musket.
suddenly... the musket has trouble reliably penetrating. however, it's still a very real danger.
IN CONCLUSION, THE MUSKET WAS INDEED DANGEROUS BUT WAS NOT COMPLETELY RELIABLE FOR PENETRATING ARMOR.
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Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1951]
« on: September 14, 2015, 02:58:46 PM »
good thing the us has been cooperating with the red cross via its own branch of the red cross since the 19th century
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Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1950]
« on: September 13, 2015, 07:46:57 AM »don't do that
just sit there boosting your economy or whatever
silence you warmongering commie
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Forum Games / Re: jairo's community projects planning thread
« on: September 12, 2015, 07:23:08 PM »
cuba again
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Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1950]
« on: September 12, 2015, 03:42:18 PM »The USSR calls on the Warsaw Pact, China, and any other communist brethren to help their fellow Korean's cause. (As NK isn't part of the pact, this is optional.
the warsaw pact is a defensive treaty, not an offensive one
bro do you want the West on your borders? help a commiebro out
the west isn't on his borders scrub, it's on yours
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Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1950]
« on: September 12, 2015, 02:31:25 PM »4364
Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1950]
« on: September 12, 2015, 11:51:37 AM »4365
Forum Games / Re: Nonnel's Nation RP: East vs West - ATOM BOMB BABY! [1950]
« on: September 12, 2015, 11:24:33 AM »west germany has built up its industrial base and hopes that war production due to the outbreak of hostilities in korea will remove the hesitation of buying german-made products
the US uncomfortably recalls multiple times when its soldiers replaced their weapons with looted stgs and mps
west germany is given permission to purchase and manufacture vehicles originating from the US
the F-84F thunderstreak, an attempt at modernizing the F-84 thunderjet, is a success
due to the poor mobility of the heavy tanks sent to south korea, the m46 patton's production is greenlit