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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"

« on: September 12, 2017, 08:16:55 PM »

accidentally locked the topic for a second, damn phone

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"

« on: September 12, 2017, 08:06:21 PM »

"person of color" is a term coined by non-white people, and generally accepted by non-white people, which is what differentiates it from calling someone "colored".

all of the black ppl i know irl have either referred to themselves as black or african-american, all of the hispanic people i know refer to themselves as latino, hispanic or white, and my asian friend (i live in rural virginia, there's next to no asian americans out here) is actually a pol-tier stuffposter

I think this is a bit reductive. The impression I get is that Latino/Hispanic ethnicity comes from Europeans and indigenous people having kids. So Latino/Hispanic people were "buddy-buddy" with Native Americans, because they were (and are) partly Native American themselves.

no. hispanic/latino is to iberia as american is to great britain- interbreeding is a natural result of living in close proximity with the alleged savages. my mom's a half-jew half-german white girl from chicago. didn't make those two ethnicities very buddy buddy in her time. i myself am, again, half-cuban, and yet there is still tension between hispanics and non-iberian whites. there's also an absolutely massive amount of mixed black-white people, and yet those races are the most iconic clash we've dealt with in the US

"Hispanic" is sort of a misnomer that implies that Hispanic people exclusively descend from Spaniards, which I think is untrue.

by both blood and culture, it's mostly spanish and portuguese heritage with varying levels of native american thrown in, but see response no.2

"Person of color" isn't a word that's meant to describe the cultural heritage of anyone. It's used to talk about racial power dynamics. (people of color in contrast to white people who held and hold more power generally in most social hierarchies)

the large majority of white-dominated societies are white-dominated by population under a democratic system- it isn't sparta with spartiates and helots lol. in this case calling the minority "the minority" is more than acceptable- it's perfectly accurate, actually, and there's no arbitrary race coalition formed by saying minority

The term is completely innocuous unless you don't believe in these racial power dynamics, in which case your issue should be with the philosophy behind the word and not the word itself.

i mean Bro just means black in spanish, the language of fellow people of color- hispanics- so why not reclaim it? oh wait: negative connotations. the absolute literal meaning of words is not the only thing to evaluate if we aren't coding or lawyering

My understanding of white supremacy is that they consider Jews and people of color two different groups that conspire to genocide them in different ways? Or something like that?

what the forget even

People of color isn't meant to be a 100% catch-all of "historically distrusted minorities".
I don't think it's ignorant or tribal, nor do I think it functions for "political correctness". Its main use is for brown townysis of racial power dynamics, no one is obligated to say it instead of "non-white" or something more specific like "Cuban".

so why do people use it for referring to minorities outside of the context of racial power dynamics? back to the OP i wrote- sandra cisneros is a mexamerican author, and we were on the subject of misogyny in class, not race

I found an interesting NPR article about the term. Here's a quote from the end:

so NPR is politely saying it's originated from SJWs? that's kinda what i inferred when i made this thread in the first place

Those words aren't fitting though. There are countries like South Africa where white people are statistically a minority but still hold lots of the structural power.

and african-american only works in the context of america. not every term is universally applicable

I don't think structural racism is over and I don't think a black man making $70k has access to the same opportunities as a white man making $70k, yfm?

1. obama 2. i wholeheartedly don't feel you. literally the only significant source of issues from racism these days are from cops, but even then, how does this effect what the guy does with his salary? you think the cops'll bust down his door and shoot him if he joins antifa? if he goes to college(a notoriously accepting place for minorities nowadays)? you think swat'll raid him if he invests in google or buys himself a better house? i mean they might- swatting is a big issue- but the cops tricked into raiding him won't even know his race until after they realize some friend faked that bomb threat which made em bust in in the first place. the only thing i'll admit to is that they get mistreated when pulled over by cops, and again, that is a serious violation of civil liberties, but it's not this huge oppressive scheme to control black people or something. all it'll do is make em end up voting for politicians who say they'll end racism in police and all that.

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"

« on: September 12, 2017, 04:13:00 PM »

im assuming it's probably only used in the west and prolly started being used back when it literally was whites vs everyone else and it's just stuck around

yeah but back then calling non-whites colored was a slur

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Off Topic / Re: what drinks/food go stuffty together for you

« on: September 12, 2017, 04:11:56 PM »

what about colours?

for example purple and green in food looks extremely unappealing to me

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"

« on: September 12, 2017, 03:58:34 PM »

i haven't heard anyone describe ted cruz as a PoC so idk
race is still a relevant social construct and it gives context to a lot of conflicts and problems from the past and present. it's literally not an option to remove racial concepts from our cultures, and so we can't remove them from our language either. but we do change how we represent those concepts in language, and this is just another transformation in that regard

1. how many ppl who use the term poc do you think know cruz is anything other than canadian, wealthy, and republican

2. i agree that race is still relevant, if only as a result of historical racism. the way i see it, we've created a deep, culturally ingrained class issue out of a historical racial issue- if a broke black detroitian gets the education he needs, he could absolutely rise above and become the last working-class generation of his family (save money-> get kids college fund-> son becomes engineer, daughter becomes medical doctor, etc)

edit: i'm not trying to say poor people should just work harder, i'm saying they need help to know how to properly work, if that makes sense, because how are you supposed to make a grappling hook if nobody teaches you how to make rope?

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Off Topic / Re: what drinks/food go stuffty together for you

« on: September 12, 2017, 03:40:40 PM »

pickles ruin everything they touch

^^^^^^loving THIS

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"

« on: September 12, 2017, 03:16:39 PM »

language is weird lol. i don't really know why poc was what people settled on but i imagine it was a form of reclamation if at all related to the dated terminology of "colored"

so why's it being used on people like me too

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"

« on: September 12, 2017, 03:11:07 PM »

they get to use the special water fountains

"we're using these fountains in our stand against white oppression. whites will have to use their own fountains!"

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Off Topic / rant on the term "people of color"

« on: September 12, 2017, 03:04:50 PM »

today a girl in my social studies class called sandra cisneros a person of color, and afterwards the teacher started using the term too

let me tell you why "person of color" pisses me off- and this isn't even mentioning the fact that i thought we were past the era of whites vs non-whites and calling black ppl colored ("i'm not saying down syndrome people are handicapped people, i'm saying they're people of handicapation!")

sandra cisneros is hispanic.

the primary cultural ancestor of the hispanics are the spaniards.

the spaniards were not buddy-buddy with native americans, asians, or the africans that they imported as slaves to the new world.

lumping the hispanic ethnicity in with everything else that isn't euro-american completely disregards history. ironically, it disregards an entire chapter of white colonialism and imperialism, despite the people who use the term PoC usually being critical of whites oppressing non-whites.

it turns an honest conversation into "us vs them".

 my father is a cuban immigrant. i am considered a person of color. i hate the loving term so much. my cultural heritage is not intertwined with ethnic african-americans, japanese-americans, chinese-americans, etc.

and what about the other historically distrusted minorities? are jews people of color? are slavic immigrants? where do you draw this handicapped line?

it just pisses me off and saddens me that we've literally regressed to using an ignorant and tribal term for the sake of political correctness. and i'm not a whiney whitey. remember, i count as a PoC

EDIT: fixed cisneros's first name, no clue where i got julia from

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: September 12, 2017, 08:59:55 AM »

when stuffposting reveals communism

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Off Topic / Re: squid shop post-foreclosure [another loving discord]

« on: September 10, 2017, 08:51:45 PM »

loving jews

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Off Topic / Re: squid shop post-foreclosure [another loving discord]

« on: September 10, 2017, 08:29:13 PM »

I joined and was disappointed at the lack of quality compared to The Glory Hole.

sorry man, economy's rough right now

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Off Topic / Re: The Pool [OFFICIAL]

« on: September 10, 2017, 06:44:26 PM »

**cuts open inflatable ring buoy** you'll never catch me or my drugs alive

(lassoes with normal ring buoy)

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Off Topic / Re: 3D political compass

« on: September 10, 2017, 06:00:06 PM »

i'd be in the green were it not for all the govt regulation of big corp questions

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Off Topic / Re: squid shop post-foreclosure [another loving discord]

« on: September 10, 2017, 05:17:44 PM »

now serving stuff-filled pastries