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Off Topic / Re: So i recently recieved 7 desktop computers from 1996-2005

« on: October 10, 2016, 08:26:21 PM »

Quote from: SeventhSandwich on October 10, 2016, 08:18:48 PM

But it's literally just a computer program. This isn't like playing digital recordings versus brown townog vinyl ones. Your console is a computer running lines of code and printing graphical data to a screen.

If the PS1 runs games better than a PS2 for whatever reason, then it's probably an issue of software compatibility. But I can emulate ROMs on my computer that run equally as well as their native consoles. Nobody is going to pay more for obsolete hardware when a newer computer can run a program that lets you play older games.

its not about it running better or worse, its about it running faithfully.

Everyones out for running better or worse, but when we seek out to play games on their intended hardware it isnt for it to run better, but for it to run faithfully.
Not faithfully to how it was intended by the creators, but how it was originally on the technology available to it/ meant for it.

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Off Topic / Re: So i recently recieved 7 desktop computers from 1996-2005

« on: October 10, 2016, 08:24:02 PM »

Quote from: ThatDarkNinja778 on October 10, 2016, 08:14:31 PM

I can see Matthew's point when it comes to the OS because older games will have issues on newer operating systems, but thats what virtualbox is for. As for really old stuff like DOS, DOSBox will do fine for the average person those older machines only really appeal to collectors nowadays.

Then clearly you still haven't seen my point fully through.

The same reason people are so avid to play games on consoles instead of emulation, is the same reason why some people want to use actual old PC hardware instead of, newer emulators for old PCs. Its not necessarily reliability, even though using original hardware is superior to emulation since emulators cannot emulate everything,its that emulators will NEVER be able to duplicate the same actions as actual hardware. Using software on newer hardware to pretend its older hardware is not the same as using actual hardware.

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Off Topic / Re: So i recently recieved 7 desktop computers from 1996-2005

« on: October 10, 2016, 08:16:11 PM »

Quote from: SeventhSandwich on October 10, 2016, 08:10:13 PM

Why are they reluctant to plop a PS1 game into a PS2/3? Is it because it's not backwards compatible, or because the controllers are different, or what? I don't use consoles.

Well it has to do with the fact that a PS1 Game being emulated on a PS2 or PS3 will never be the same as it being played on actual hardware, it will have varying difference and even incompatibilities. Some PS1 games have missing textures, framerate issues, sound issues or just not work at all when emulated, not a lot, but some.

These issues can occur with older PC Games as well. Its not like Consoles and PC's don't parallel each other, they both use similar technology.
Any issues that occur with consoles due to emulation, will occur with PC's as well.

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Off Topic / Re: So i recently recieved 7 desktop computers from 1996-2005

« on: October 10, 2016, 08:13:06 PM »

Quote from: Freek on October 10, 2016, 08:08:11 PM

???????????????????????

Well its not when you Download Super Mario 2 On your Wii U Nintendo is shoving a cartridge into the console.

its data being Emulated.

My point is the logic I'm getting here is.

"Lol Consoles are better than emulation because original hardware, therefore it is dumb people don't want to emulate older pc games on newer pcs because Old PC = New PC."

But that's just not the case. Sure there is more Variety with older PC technologies, but they all fall under similar restrictions and uses.
Like using using an older Sound Card instead of Emulating it will result in more accurate Midi sounds, or Using an old 3dfx Card will be more accurate then
emulating one through a GTX 1080.

These older games were designed for older hardware, and running them on newer hardware is not only sometimes an issue in terms of it being true to its original form, but sometimes, like emulation, there are games that aren't quite compatible.

Rareware games still don't run right on N64 emulators, and don't even get me started on the Xbox Emulator.

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Off Topic / Re: So i recently recieved 7 desktop computers from 1996-2005

« on: October 10, 2016, 08:07:25 PM »

Quote from: TheABELBOTO on October 10, 2016, 08:03:29 PM

Retro Consoles are only sought out for because they're the only way to play certain old games legitimately

Pc games can easily be emulated/ported compared to some n64 game unless you're willing to pirate.

Thats not the Only way, trust me.

Also Emulation isn't illegitimate, its downloading Roms that is illegal. Ripping Roms is legal.
and even if by your logic that Emulators were illegal/illegitmate, would that mean that Nintendo Eshop classic games are wrong?

People play games on old consoles instead of newer ones or PC's because you can never Perfectly emulate the original hardware.

This reason applies to old PCs as well. Emulating a sound card will never be the same as having the real thing, emulation Dos will never be the same thing as running it etc.

It has to do with using the correct technologies.

TL;DR
The Same reason some people are reluctant to plop a PS1 Game into a PS2 or PS3 is the same reason people are reluctant to play Quake on a Modern Gaming PC.

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Off Topic / Re: I'm Back! and I have a story.

« on: October 10, 2016, 08:02:55 PM »

Quote from: Juncoph on October 10, 2016, 08:01:30 PM

it's not loveual and it's not exactly hd

Don't Risk it.

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Forum Games / Re: The evil genie

« on: October 10, 2016, 08:02:27 PM »

Quote from: Blue Screen on October 10, 2016, 07:59:16 PM

Wish granted, but centuries into the future, there's more soda than water in the oceans. Somehow. I don't know how this works.

I wish to have every video game in existance.

Wish Granted, but the only games that work are Sonic 06, ET, Jekyll and Hyde, and 7 Grand Dad.

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Off Topic / Re: So i recently recieved 7 desktop computers from 1996-2005

« on: October 10, 2016, 08:00:47 PM »

Quote from: Freek on October 10, 2016, 07:59:14 PM

no it isn't

Quote from: SeventhSandwich on October 10, 2016, 07:59:23 PM

Buy some acids and do backyard precious metal extraction.

Lol, nobody is going to buy a 'retro gaming PC'. Computer games are backwards compatible and a modern netbook should be able to run even the most graphically-intensive 90s games.

You'd both be surprised, But it's a Niche, and Emulating old hardware isn't the same as having the real deal, this applies to PCs as well.
Since it's a Niche the parts are harder to get ahold of since people usually discard them instead of selling them.

Really, old Gaming PCs are just like how Old Consoles used to be.

No one saw value in it until it was too late.

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Off Topic / Re: So i recently recieved 7 desktop computers from 1996-2005

« on: October 10, 2016, 07:58:05 PM »

Well, I can tell you how you can.
And you're going to have to listen Very carefully, this will be no simple task.

take the best parts of these computers, and make as many proper working computers as you can, and put them into old cases.
Make sure these computers are able to run games all within a certain generation (aka have a computer with hardware able to run 90s PC games perfectly.)
Then sell these as retro gaming PC's online for a pretty penny, and take the resources to make a Modern Super Gaming PC.

This is how you do it.

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