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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:38:34 PM »

First of all, I have a problem with you calling me stupid.

stuff MAN U GOT A PROBLM

That definition has been false for a long time. I wish it would stop being cited, but let's turn to a more reliable source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

I know a good bit of what science does for me.
I hate doing science when it involves me having to do something with it myself. Sorry if I was not deathly-detailed earlier.

Science has its good points, and bad points. I don't trust it either, as it has been proven over time it is not always accurate.

You have no idea what science even is.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:34:55 PM »

"hurr durr I like the guy who says he hates science GO JESUS" forget you. :)

You have the cross as your avatar for god sake!

I have a urine covered cross, cry more.

heheh of course they do inve3ted.

The big bang is what made all of evolution start.

The big bang could not have just flashed and hey we are waiting at the bus stop.

The earth was put together by hot gas and mater focusing into one place eventually make the pieces all come together. 

wat

The Big Bang did not cause evolution.

As I said, go to school.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:33:40 PM »

Tom, evolution is real.  Evolution is why we can speak, think, and move like we do.  You can't not take evolution as a fact because I'm fairly sure we have proof.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

A (not full) list of observed instances of speciation.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:31:44 PM »

I am calling bullstuff right there.

Atheism literally means "to have no belief."

How is that a religion? It does not assert anything.

"hurr durr I hate the guy who says he hates science GO SCIENCE"

Coming from the dumbass who doesn't even know what science does for you.

I said he wasn't an idiot, and that he was religious.  How does that have anything to do with music?

Reference to another thread. You said he wasn't an idiot, I brought up something showing idiocy.

If you can not tell me what made the big bang then i will not take evolution as a official fact.

You may find some remains of a neanderthal but where is the evidence of that big poof bang?

The Big Bang and evolution have absolutely NOTHING to do with eachother. Did you go to school or just smoke the whole time in the park?

2525

Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:28:29 PM »

The forget. First of all, that isn't what I said. Second of all, even if it was what I said, does that invalidate any argument I try to make at any point?

He said you weren't stupid. I was disagreeing. And it was either a really terrible brown townogy or it was what you said.

At least Blastdown has some sense.

"hurr durr I like the guy who says he hates science GO JESUS"

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:26:58 PM »

I am not trying to covert him. he can believes whatever he wants to. now. Answer my question.

I did. Twice. Are you handicapped or just too lazy to read?

Old Testament Law bro.  The New Testament ended that stuffs.

Then why the forget do people even believe anything in the old testament? Disregard it. It's useless.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:25:13 PM »

As a Christian, you are suppose to believe in him and follow him.
I do not understand what it means to follow him, so that is something I don't do at this point in my life. However I could say I believe that he exists, as I do not think we evolved from a damn pond scum, or some other thing. But what do I know? I hate science.

You're a dumbass.

see that my only question for you atheists.

It's been answered, so stop jizzing yourself.

You avoiding my question invr3ted what caused the big bang?

I said we don't know. You cannot assume it was God because there is no evidence.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:22:48 PM »

That doesn't mean that the same majority of people that are religious are idiots. If you take a sampling of 80 people from a group of 100, return those people to the group and take another sampling of 80 people from the same group statistically you will only have a 64% overlap, meaning (logically) that 17/100 of people are either religious and not an idiot or an idiot and not religious.

That's assuming there is no correlation between idiocy and religiosity.

Ok I accept your beliefs. Everyone is different.

No you don't. You believe we're going to suffer for eternity.

Sirrus is definitely an exception.

He said the point of music wasn't to sound good.

???

Then how was the bing bang created?

Explain this.

You're assuming that something did that. By saying that something MUST have created it, you are using God to replace your lack of knowledge. That is the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:18:49 PM »

Then don't sound like an idiot.

???

Does that include you?

then explain why china is a piece of stuff right now.

Then how was the bing bang created? It couldn't have just appeared for no reason. Something did that.

yes but then how was the universe created?

Yes, but notice how allof those frases relate to people in the past? And how they have nothing pointed at you?

I think we know who sounds like an idiot.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:15:55 PM »

Your proof?

...

I'll quote myself.

On Punishing ‘Immorality’

Leviticus 20:9
   If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10    If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13    If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:20-1    If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.

Exodus 35:2
   For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

On Destroying Other People
Deuteronomy 7:1-2    When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
     However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

On the Evil of Biblical Law
Ezekiel 20:25-26    I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.

On Slavery & Subjugation of Women
Ephesians 5:22-24    Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:20-21    If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
1 Peter 2:13    Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men.
2:18    Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Leviticus 25:44-45
   Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

Jesus, on His Second Coming

Matthew 24:29-34
   [T]he sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. . . . They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. . . . I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. [Emphasis added.]

16:27-28
   For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Scientific Errors
(1) Rabbits don’t chew cud.

Deuteronomy 14:6-7
   You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud. However, of those that chew the cud or that have a split hoof completely divided you may not eat the camel, the rabbit, or the coney.
(2) No insects (including grasshoppers) are 4-legged.

Leviticus 11:20-22
   All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.
(3) This is only possible on a flat earth.

Matthew 4:8
   Again the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
(4) pi does not = 3.

1 Kings 7:23
   He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim . . . It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it.
(5) The earth moves. It does not have a foundation.

Psalms 104:5
   He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

Selected Contradictions
(1)
2 Kings 2:11    As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
John 3:13    No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
(2)
Numbers 23:19    God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Exodus 32:14    Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.
(3)
Ephesians 2:8-9    For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith . . . not by works.
James 2:14-17    What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? . . . Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Revelation 22:12    Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
(4) (Jesus speaking)
Matthew 5:16    Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven.
Matthew 6:1    Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them.
(5) (Jesus speaking)
John 14:27    Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.
Matthew 10:34    Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
(6)
Genesis 32:30    So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and my life was preserved.”
Exodus 33:11    The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.
John 1:18    No one has ever seen God.
(7) (Jesus speaking)
John 5:31    If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.
John 8:14    Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:14:36 PM »

Does that include you?

Majority of people are religious. Majority of people are idiots.

I am an atheist.

????

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:11:35 PM »

I'm surprised yes is winning, I thought the forum community was mostly atheistic.

You know the idiots are the majority here.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:10:23 PM »

then explain why china is a piece of stuff right now.

Because China is fascist, too....?

2534

Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:07:04 PM »

I thought trying to control people totally was communism. Whatever.

Authoritarian fascism. Communism is an economic system.

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Off Topic / Re: Do YOU believe in God?

« on: January 02, 2010, 11:04:16 PM »

On Punishing ‘Immorality’

Leviticus 20:9
   If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10    If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13    If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:20-1    If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.

Exodus 35:2
   For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

On Destroying Other People
Deuteronomy 7:1-2    When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
     However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

On the Evil of Biblical Law
Ezekiel 20:25-26    I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.

On Slavery & Subjugation of Women
Ephesians 5:22-24    Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:20-21    If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
1 Peter 2:13    Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men.
2:18    Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Leviticus 25:44-45
   Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

Jesus, on His Second Coming

Matthew 24:29-34
   [T]he sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. . . . They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. . . . I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. [Emphasis added.]

16:27-28
   For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Scientific Errors
(1) Rabbits don’t chew cud.

Deuteronomy 14:6-7
   You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud. However, of those that chew the cud or that have a split hoof completely divided you may not eat the camel, the rabbit, or the coney.
(2) No insects (including grasshoppers) are 4-legged.

Leviticus 11:20-22
   All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.
(3) This is only possible on a flat earth.

Matthew 4:8
   Again the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
(4) pi does not = 3.

1 Kings 7:23
   He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim . . . It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it.
(5) The earth moves. It does not have a foundation.

Psalms 104:5
   He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

Selected Contradictions
(1)
2 Kings 2:11    As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
John 3:13    No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
(2)
Numbers 23:19    God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Exodus 32:14    Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.
(3)
Ephesians 2:8-9    For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith . . . not by works.
James 2:14-17    What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? . . . Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Revelation 22:12    Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
(4) (Jesus speaking)
Matthew 5:16    Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven.
Matthew 6:1    Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them.
(5) (Jesus speaking)
John 14:27    Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.
Matthew 10:34    Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
(6)
Genesis 32:30    So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and my life was preserved.”
Exodus 33:11    The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.
John 1:18    No one has ever seen God.
(7) (Jesus speaking)
John 5:31    If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.
John 8:14    Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid.