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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 04:58:20 AM »

I think this pretty much wraps it up, sorry for acting on offhand info that I assumed at some parts.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 04:48:12 AM »

No problems man, there wasn't any time on the ban so I just thought it was permanent.

Yeah I can see a few minute ban being reasonable if OP had been going around doing stuff, but there's really not much info to make a judgement here.

I assumed it was permanent as well, I also misread Razer's post earlier about it.

I think any kind of ban was justified imo, mainly because of the ignored warnings.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 04:44:21 AM »

I dunno, I've run a good plenty of servers in my time and I've gone through bad admins. I get the feeling that the admin who banned OP was looking for reasons to get ridda OP after he jokingly said he murdered somebody and OP is just stubborn enough to challenge the click pushing thing and it rubs me the wrong way.

Plus, I just don't see how it's that big of a deal to warrant two subsequent warnings and then a permanent ban. Just doesn't seem like a reasonable escalation of force for the act committed.

Ban wasn't permanent, sorry for being an autismo

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 04:40:04 AM »

To be honest, if someone is going to be a blatant annoyance and doesn't care for the multiple warnings of an administrator.  The administrator permanently removing them so they don't have to deal with their stuff anymore is honestly an okay thing.

noedit: didn't realize that it wasn't a permanent ban, which pretty much kills my point

Having a steady playerbase is also a privilege that is effectively undermined by this sort of powertripping moderation. I hope this Jack dude tries to make a stand alone game like you said and comes to the stark realization that this sort of administration and design philosophy is wholly unsustainable.

It's not exactly powertripping.  Rules exist to maintain order.  In a serious gamemode like DF, there pretty much needs to be some sort of order to maintain the atmosphere and seriousness of it all; without order it's pretty much just a forget fest with an objective.  
Razer gave out warnings, and You clearly ignored them.  Razer could have banned You outright but instead gave him a few "hey don't do that,"'s, in order to prevent him from getting banned and to prevent him from ruining the experiences of others.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 04:32:41 AM »

So pushing people after a couple (IMO unreasonable) warnings warrants a full on permanent ban for, as you stated, future convenience?

God this server sounds like a drag

To be honest, if someone is going to be a blatant annoyance and doesn't care for the multiple warnings of an administrator.  The administrator permanently removing them so they don't have to deal with their stuff anymore is honestly an okay thing.
Most people are very forgiving so people get used to the "oh i'll get another chance" mindset, so when someone who likes things straightforward and easy typically would get stuff on for making things easy.

quick reminder that being on a server is a privilege, not a right; being annoying and getting told to stop and getting banned for doing so should be expected from the very beginning.

So you're part of the administration yeah? How often do you actually need to ban someone for abusing this mechanic?

Not part of administration whatsoever, just some average dude who played DF a bit ago.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 04:14:29 AM »

It's not really causing more problems than it's worth, it actually solves more problems.  Rather than having to manually remove people who block doors, it allows players to push people out of the way, at the cost of having to look for people blatantly pushing people for richard diddly reason.

doublepost (sorry)
Forgot to include this:

During investigation period theres no combat so you can't beat someone down, which essentially gets you trapped without clickpush.  Having clickpush pretty much prevents you from getting trapped during a period like this.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 04:13:10 AM »

OP thinks the warnings were unreasonable and didn't respect the rule, leading him to challenge it through this thread. I'm beginning to think you have a pretty heavy stake here in the discussion considering how hard you're trying to insult him over this corny-ass ban


So what I'm getting out of this is that click pushing is causing more problems than it's worth, since you could take the same administrative action against somebody blocking people. Except now you can push people off of steep ledges!

Safe to safe I'm probably never going to give this server a try lol

It's not really causing more problems than it's worth, it actually solves more problems.  Rather than having to manually remove people who block doors, it allows players to push people out of the way, at the cost of having to look for people blatantly pushing people for richard diddly reason.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 04:04:11 AM »

Before I continue trying to pick apart your logic here, what does click-pushing people necessarily do? Does it launch people backwards, does it do something that can impede gameplay?

Clickpushing is essentially forcefully moving someone from their original position in the direction you face, which is annoying if you're trying to do something like go somewhere.  But maybe not as annoying if you're just standing still doing nothing.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 03:54:46 AM »

Since nobody here is offering context as to what happened, I'm just going to assume that OP wasn't completely ruining everyone's fun through click-pushing, so I don't get what this "Deal with his stuff again later" thing comes from.

How annoying was OP being?

It's pretty much there on the first post.  You is ignoring the warnings which Razer gives him to stop him from pushing people around for no good reason when you're only supposed to use clickpush when it's necessary.  

An example of a necessary situation to use clickpush is when someone is being an annoyance and is purposefully blocking a doorway to prevent you from progressing, so you push him out of the way.  
An example of an unnecessary situation to use clickpush is to randomly push people around when they're trying to do things, or starting a giant clickpush fight; which distracts from the serious gamemode that Jack is trying to create, but is unable to because no one takes it seriously.

Ignoring the commands given from an admin is pretty much very annoying in itself.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 03:49:58 AM »

Unless OP was click-pushing people off of ledges maliciously, banning somebody for randomly pushing people is the equivalent of banning somebody for hitting others with a hammer outside of a minigame or spray painting them.

Let's be honest here, there's only two reasons someone would do that:
a. To get someone's attention.

b. To be an annoyance.

I don't think banning someone for doing option a would be a good thing, but banning someone for doing option b is okay.

The impression I get here is that Razer was watching over the players and giving OP stuff for walking around and clicking people. I get that OP defied the admin's command but I gotta be honest if an admin told me to stop click pushing people after I pushed a couple dudes around I'd probably think the admin is a loving idiot

The difference is uh... Razer told You to stop more than once, and You ignored Razer and continued to push people for no reason.  While the example you give only says you being told to not do something once and then thinking that the admin is an idiot for trying to prevent you from getting banned and ruining the experience of others.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: October 01, 2017, 03:41:59 AM »

Well here's one historical thread to make a point that some people thinks the ban is unreasonable. If you don't care about that, it's no skin off my back.

If I was the owner of the server I prolly would have given Razer stuff for being too quick on his guns on something wholly inconsequential, especially making a permanent ban. If erroneously click-pushing players is this big of a deal to you, I fear the day somebody decides to do something truly malicious.

Yeah I can understand that maybe a permanent ban was too harsh.  But to be fair to Razer, he gave out numerous warnings which were blatantly ignored, so removing him permanently seems like a really good option compared to banning him for some amount of time only to deal with his stuff again later.

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Suggestions & Requests / Re: Furby Playertype

« on: October 01, 2017, 03:35:14 AM »

It should be a weapon and once you throw it it follows the target around screeching until it touches them and explodes.

furby snark

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Music / Re: Stick Man's New Music Pack - New Loops and Requests! (104 loops)

« on: October 01, 2017, 01:53:06 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw4gspY30qA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTJMDkpOqHI

loop this and i will love you forever

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: September 30, 2017, 10:23:29 PM »

it's pretty handicapped considering you're punishing people who won't act like your videogame isn't a videogame.  if you don't want people like you pushing your players around, don't let him do it in the first place.  no amount of hiding behind "but he didn't listen" changes the fact that your rule makes absolutely no sense and shouldn't even need to be enforced.
sure but i'm not going to waste my time enforcing a petty rule

In no way is it petty.  Pushing someone who is trying to focus on completing the objective is a stupid thing to do.  Pushing people while there is nothing to do is also stupid because it pretty much kills seriousness and only acts as an annoyance.

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Drama / Re: banned for clickpushing

« on: September 30, 2017, 10:09:26 PM »

i could understand if you was pushing people off ledges, but banning people for using a function in the absolute least consequential way possible is pants-on-head handicapped.  it's like me banning him from stikfas' medievals for gimping himself by crouching with noyer's swords.  regardless of whether he disobeyed me, it's insane for me to even consider the idea that i need to enforce it.

christ, noyer, what the forget is your staff even

Abusing a system to richard around in something thats meant to be serious isn’t handicapped, especially when its against the rules to do so and is enforced by the staff because they actually do their job.