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Games / Re: [NEWS] NO MANS SKY UPDATE!
« on: August 11, 2017, 02:42:14 PM »
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Off Topic / Re: As many as 160 Applebees and IHOP locations to close
« on: August 11, 2017, 02:40:14 PM »
Waffle house is cheap as forget, cheaper than IHOP. I mean you're more likely to get stabbed at Waffle House, but it's essentially the same exact foos you would get at IHOP. Waffles are better than IHOP's stale ass pancakes anyways.
chili's's stuffI'll loving kill you if you talk stuff about Chili's
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Off Topic / Re: As many as 160 Applebees and IHOP locations to close
« on: August 11, 2017, 01:16:15 PM »
forget IHOP it's just overpriced Waffle House
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Off Topic / Re: cursed image thread
« on: August 11, 2017, 12:40:51 PM »you think you have seen The cursed??? are all like little baby. watch thisGive me one reason not to kill whoever made this image
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Games / Re: Fallout MEGATHREAD - We got a chupacabra with an automatic weapon.
« on: August 11, 2017, 12:37:50 PM »Fallout 4 GOTY 9/26I'd be willing to pay $30 for GOTY edition, any more than that is a loving rip off.
Collectors Edition with Pip Boy 9/26 for $99.99 USD
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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: August 11, 2017, 12:17:13 PM »Then you find a fairer employer, or you accept that the work you are qualified to do will be worth less. Of course that's not always the case and I'm not saying workers don't get underpaid, but I'm speaking only on principleThis is the argument so many of you rely on. "Just get a new job." Beyond the fact that you will likely not find a better paying job, because all employers will attempt to pay you as little as possible, there is a paradox inherent to the capitalist labor market. If there is very little regulation of the market to encourage profits, this allows the more developed companies to force other companies off of the market via competition. The more profit they attain, the more effective this process is, leading to the inevitable centralization of wealth. This leads you with 2 options, assuming you have a job with the successful company. You could either go on strike, a right which lowers profits and thus was crushed by reagan-era policies, or politically push for more anti-trust regulations. This leads to more competition, but lowered profits for companies. Companies take this lowering of profits out on their employees, leading to lowered overall economic prosperity. This leads to outrage from conservative America, and the election of free market candidates like Donald Annoying Orange, and the continuation of this cycle.
If only socialists weren't subhuman animals worthy of consideration vs exterminationAlright forget off with this historical figure roleplaying. That was my gimmick and you're ruining it.
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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber
« on: August 10, 2017, 11:55:23 PM »Mr. Marx, are you aware that you created the single greatest scourge of the 20th century? Your philosophies killed hundreds of millions of innocent people. You have absolutely no moral high ground to stand on.Listen here Alzheimer's, profit motive (aka Capitalism) was the driving cause for the two deadliest conflicts in history, World War 1 & 2. Don't even get me STARTED on how many people die each year from a lack of food, while American corporations waste millions of pounds of food each year.
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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber
« on: August 10, 2017, 11:47:23 PM »karl marx allowed everyone in his country to starve. he also allowed everyone to have stuffty houses, dirty water and made it so farmers are basically prime targets from theft and fraud.Listen, I know you're just a kid but did your history teacher really not tell you that Karl Marx was just a sociologist, and not the leader of a country?
hmm...
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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber
« on: August 10, 2017, 11:41:11 PM »
Ronald Regean allowed countless Americans to die in the aids epidemic, and possibly even more when you consider the fact that he was responsible for arming and training Al Qaeda. Not to mention his illegal arms selling. He's one of the stufftiest presidents you could have chosen.
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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: August 10, 2017, 03:24:18 PM »Like if you wanna talk about legitimate "Wage slavery" you shouldn't beat around the bush like a pusillanimous individual. There's people out there right now that can't get livable wages, that live paycheck to paycheck and eat stuff because they can't afford to move to a better job, can't afford to get better education and are stuck in a stuffty living condition with a stuffty lifestyle with almost zero to no money left to circulate. Nothing is helping them, and yet our system is still failing them. Here you are talking about laziness and unhappiness like an starfish, thinking you're coming from place for the people. Get real. There's a lot more to this than attacking capitalism in an ideological level. You can't just suggest a different mode of system like it's a magic fix-all, because there's such a big wet mess of hot garbage still in circulation that may take literal generations to untangle, and I can guarantee you wholeheartedly that at this point in time there is so much conflict of interest at play that we may never have the right mix of things to actually start fixing what's actually wrong.I'm not trying to beat around any bushes. I'm fully aware of this problem, and I'm fully aware of how hard it is to fix. It's still worth trying to fix, because we have no other option. Recognition of the failure inherent to our system is the first step to achieving some real change, but blaming it on the immigrants taking our jobs as republicans often do is about 10 steps backwards.
People express desire to sit at home and lay down and do nothing because we've reached a point in society where the common man doesn't feel like anything more than a cog in a machine, and that sort of existential dread is what's leading to higher Self Delete rates, missed opportunities and unsustainable lifestyles. And thanks to the west's abysmal take on mental health and worsening opiate crCIA, things are only bound to get worse for the common man.
Everything you're rambling about is this jumbled mess of leftist talking points and I've had a hard time even working up the gumption to respond unironically because it's hard deciphering the point, so here's my jumbled rambling. Take it however you will.It's not exactly a simple or linear discussion. Hell, my knowledge of the debate is pretty juvenile compared to some people. A good way to understand it better is to seriously consider these ideas, ask for clarification, or read some well-known books on the matter. Maybe my argument comes off as scrambled because leftist ideology has many branches and approaches better suited for specific arguments and personal beliefs. That's why people generally spend more time pointing out flaws in capitalism than they do debating the specifics of their ideology.
A hell ton of issues with our workforce stems from a cancerous work culture. It's not as bad as some of the eastern countries but holy stuff is it bad. It's not just a cultural issue no, but to deny that it may have some deal of involvement is completely loving stupid.Alright, consider this. Capitalism essentially defines our culture, and enforces this stuffty culture that you speak of whether it's in our best interests or not. Try explaining to a caveman why it feels satisfying to get a slip of paper redeemable for other slips of paper.
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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: August 10, 2017, 03:08:53 PM »then it's awfully strange then that communist dystopias usually seem to enforce labor under penalty of law and disappear underperforming managers and workers innitI've explained this before, but the reason the USSR and China ended up so authoritarian and stuffty is because of the poor timing and execution of their respective revolutions. Both countries were in, essentially, monarchist states and completely unindustrialized. In order to become more sustainable, you want to have some degree of automation beforehand, or at least the results of being unindustrialized and attempting communism have led people to believe this. Communist states were very much at threat of crumbling from a lack of efficiency or an inability to defend themselves from regimes attempting to destroy them. This led to rapid industrialization, which was enforced by authoritarianism. It worked really well, but I'm guessing you already know what the side effects of this were. Though honestly, unindustrialized communism could work on smaller scales, but as we have seen in the case of Catalonia, it leaves them vulnerable to military destruction. Then again, maybe Catalonia was already moderately industrialized, I'm not entirely sure.
but i'm sure those gulags were completely coincidental and had nothing to do with an authoritarian regime forcing its citizens to work to death over the course of years so that they could maintain their impoverished living standards and technological inferiority
try entertaining the notion that all these problems may be symptomatic of a cultural issue rather than an economical issueThe "it's a cultural issue" notion is such a garbage argument. Many countries have had economic collapses due to the enforced scarcity -> lowered demand cycle. In fact, this is the base cause of most recessions, depressions, and collapses. When something happens as routinely as it does, it's hard to tell the entire world to just change their attitude, and be more willing to continue spending 5 figures in debt. Here's an example. Companies want to make more of a profit, but people aren't being paid enough to afford the quota of goods that the company wants to sell. They wouldn't pay their employees more so that they could afford the items they want to spend, because that's a lowering of their profit. What's the solution, then? Credit cards. Just go into debt so you can buy our goods, you can pay it off later. Works well for everyone, right? Well, unfortunately, most people do not want to dip into serious debt, because god forbid something happens that makes it significantly harder to pay off their debt, their life would be ruined. People see this and have the nerve to say "well that's just a cultural issue, people shouldn't be so afraid to go into debt!"
In the 1920's, it's safe to say that this "cultural issue" wasn't very prevalent in America. Everything worked out well, people were buying on credit like there was no limit, everyone was prosperous! Great, right?
I'm guessing I don't need to tell you what happened next as a result of this credit spending.
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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: August 10, 2017, 02:40:18 PM »
Grimlock if you want a tl;dr here you go
"99% of people do not want to sit around doing absolutely nothing with their lives because that's loving depressing"
Like I said. This isn't leftist mumbo jumbo, it's quite literally human nature. Autonomy and contribution are inherently satisfying.
"99% of people do not want to sit around doing absolutely nothing with their lives because that's loving depressing"
the key difference here is that in a capitalist country the standard of living and recreation i have is directly related to how much i work and produce, while under a socialist regime i get no reward from spending hours working other than whatever ~~~~~~social validation~~~~~~ falls out of it
I don't know if I can emphasize this enough, but purpose is what drives motivation. It's how we evolved.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKKPQiRRag
Like I said. This isn't leftist mumbo jumbo, it's quite literally human nature. Autonomy and contribution are inherently satisfying.
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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: August 10, 2017, 02:28:55 PM »
I'm not really sure what to tell you. If you were allowed to pursue any career path you wanted to, you wouldn't have any reason not to pursue it. It wouldn't be unreasonable to say that everybody wants to do a job that they enjoy. If there was nothing stopping you from doing what you enjoy, you would likely do it. You wouldn't be confined to just one career / job, either. Remember, there would be a significant decrease in workload thanks to an incentive to automate basic tasks, and an increase in available labor due to the fact that nobody would be denied from a job, as it doesn't harm profit like it would under capitalism.
Of you want a quick illustration of this, I'll give a personal anecdote. I'm interested in various fields, and would enjoy exploring all of them, were such a thing reasonable in a capitalist economy. I also like doing physical labor jobs, because working out at a gym is boring to me. I get to do something productive with my time, as well as staying active. I have the potential to contribute in a lot of ways, and so would everybody else.
Keep in mind two additional things:
Laziness is often the product of demoralization and despair. People often give up on pursuing a career when they are denied countless times, and subsequently become unhappy. This leads into my next point. Being unproductive and secluded makes people unhappy. Humans are social creatures, and social cooperation will become the main function of society. There is a sincere sense of fulfillment involved in contributing to society, or rather, knowingly aiding the survival of yourself and the society that helps sustain you. I don't know if I can emphasize this enough, but purpose is what drives motivation. It's how we evolved. The groups that stuck together and cooperated to survive are the ones that formed the first civilizations. Monetary incentives are the product of being forced to adapt to conditions under capitalism, and rarely work as well as the more natural alternative of purpose-driven incentives.
The desire to break away from mandated work hours, annoying bosses, and work that makes you unhappy is something that most people could relate to. These are explicitly the product of a late capitalist "wage slavery" state. What you are experiencing is not the desire to stop working and lay at home all day, as this society would have you believe in order to shame you, but rather the desire to take control of your own labor. It is the desire to do a job that you want to do, not because you are contractually obligated to do it, but because you enjoy doing it. Because you are able to do it on your own accord, and you enjoy that sense of autonomy.
Of you want a quick illustration of this, I'll give a personal anecdote. I'm interested in various fields, and would enjoy exploring all of them, were such a thing reasonable in a capitalist economy. I also like doing physical labor jobs, because working out at a gym is boring to me. I get to do something productive with my time, as well as staying active. I have the potential to contribute in a lot of ways, and so would everybody else.
Keep in mind two additional things:
Laziness is often the product of demoralization and despair. People often give up on pursuing a career when they are denied countless times, and subsequently become unhappy. This leads into my next point. Being unproductive and secluded makes people unhappy. Humans are social creatures, and social cooperation will become the main function of society. There is a sincere sense of fulfillment involved in contributing to society, or rather, knowingly aiding the survival of yourself and the society that helps sustain you. I don't know if I can emphasize this enough, but purpose is what drives motivation. It's how we evolved. The groups that stuck together and cooperated to survive are the ones that formed the first civilizations. Monetary incentives are the product of being forced to adapt to conditions under capitalism, and rarely work as well as the more natural alternative of purpose-driven incentives.
The desire to break away from mandated work hours, annoying bosses, and work that makes you unhappy is something that most people could relate to. These are explicitly the product of a late capitalist "wage slavery" state. What you are experiencing is not the desire to stop working and lay at home all day, as this society would have you believe in order to shame you, but rather the desire to take control of your own labor. It is the desire to do a job that you want to do, not because you are contractually obligated to do it, but because you enjoy doing it. Because you are able to do it on your own accord, and you enjoy that sense of autonomy.
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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: August 10, 2017, 01:11:05 PM »They dont.How about this then: If you have no intention to give anything back to society, despite being fully able to, people won't respect you.