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Off Topic / Re: What happens if you accidentally report badspot or he reports himself

« on: August 10, 2017, 12:23:41 PM »

He loving dies

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: August 10, 2017, 08:39:39 AM »

nice dismissive post moron

Yeah god forbid I don't take this post seriously:

imagine being so handicapped you name your account after the man responsible for most of the 20th centuries atrocitys and support his ideals without remorse

What, do you think Karl Marx went around and killed all those kulaks with his bare hands? He got up and started beating the stuff out of millions of people, singlehandedly?

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: August 10, 2017, 02:14:38 AM »

imagine being so handicapped you name your account after the man responsible for most of the 20th centuries atrocitys and support his ideals without remorse

Cool post bro

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: August 10, 2017, 01:58:00 AM »

wew

WEW

You're saying if someone gave you a free house and then later said "Hey can you do me a favor and help me out with my spice garden" or some stuff you'd say no? That's not really normal.

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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber

« on: August 10, 2017, 01:11:40 AM »

Is it also women/minorities' fault when they're not paid as much as their male counterparts

Because of your avatar and also sleep deprivation I mistook you for DrenDran and I was so god damn bewildered for a solid minute

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: August 10, 2017, 01:09:49 AM »

doesnt this lead to capitalism cause someone is gonna be handing out the rewards

Not really, no. As I noted later though, the concept of rewards would be relatively abstract, as goods are produced solely for human consumption.

and if it is communal decision, then you run into communication problems, eg it takes too damn long to do anything. look up the mythical man month and understand why adding people to a project makes it harder to reach a deadline. then look at your ideal society and how decentralized the chain of command is. theres a reason why true democracies dont exist - its just infeasible on the scale society is as of now

That's a fair point. I'm not totally against representative democracy in which the people elect someone who will represent them on a large scale, if the people are given the power to actually tell this representative what to do lest they replace them with a different representative. On a small scale, if the area is self-sufficient, it would be reasonable to allow them to function independently and on whichever scale is appropriate for efficient democracy. Nations as we know them may become unnecessary in favor of efficiency.

Quick note: Keep in mind, I don't have the answers to every question you may have. There are a lot of cases in which things may need to vary slightly or greatly to accommodate the circumstances, but the point is that I am working towards a sustainable state in which these conditions are possible before we begin making specific adjustments for specific cases.

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Off Topic / Re: "Why the forget Do People like This" Megathread

« on: August 10, 2017, 12:53:01 AM »

Why the forget do people like eating pineapples? They're bitter, they stink, and they're the color of piss. Overall a stuff-tier fruit.

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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber

« on: August 10, 2017, 12:48:38 AM »

Yeah it's not like the were absolutely insane and murdered anyone that they thought disagreed with them.

I'm not going to claim to know what it was like in Catalonia, though a few people who lived long enough to recollect it decades later described it as a utopia, but I would guess, without having yet implemented a system to tame these militias, some paranoid groups would emerge to attack people who side with countries who are attacking them with military force. Despite the obvious fact that there would be no need for those militias if the conflict did not exist, society would likely have been stable enough to dismantle those militias, had it not been unstable.

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: August 10, 2017, 12:42:52 AM »

Is the house really free if it's part of a contract where you do hard labor in exchange for it? This really just sounds like a threat disguised as an offer. What really happens if they say no, I don't want to mine coal in exchange for the same reward as the dude washing dishes at McDonalds? Just give him the house anyway? Let him die of exposure/starvation? _{Put him in the Gulag?}

You recieve the house regardless of your ability to fulfill you end of the bargain. A sense of social obligation is more than enough to persuade people to give something in return.

What about people with no training/workable skills? Do we just assign them jobs that they may or may not have any passion for? Or do they sit at home drinking beer and watching TV while I shovel fish? I understand that I could justify this by telling myself that shoveling fish for the rest of my pathetic life is my true purpose, but realistically speaking if I was fully accommodated to watch TV and drink beer all day I'd probably be more relaxed and happy albeit with a small factor of guilt in the back of my mind that says I could be shoveling fish right now instead.

Besides the fact that we have the capability to mechanize the insanely mundane tasks, think of it this way. Bill Gates has a net worth of damn near $100 billion. If the people controlled that wealth, there would definitely be enough spare resources to accomodate the lazy and the disabled. However, you seem to misunderstand something fundamental. Why would laziness exist, if you were free to pursue training in whatever you wished? Unless you feel your life purpose is drawing extremely obscure special interest art, there is going to be a desire somewhere for the service you offer. You are contributing to society by fulfilling another's wants, while pursuing a hobby. Let's kill two birds with one stone, though. Let's say you don't know what you want to do, and society is short on food handlers. The people get together and decide they require food handlers, and are willing to offer higher rewards for currently unemployed people to work as food handlers. You feel indifferent towards food handling, but you enjoy becoming a more valued individual for handling that food.

What do we do with the bad apples? The people who say forget it, it's not fair that I have to mine coal while somebody else just gets to sit around and drink beer and watch TV. I'm not going to work anymore until the government gives me a Lamborghini. Obviously, the guy is an starfish for ignoring his primal and instinctive will to follow his divine purpose, and probably isn't that much of a problem on his own, so just let him be.

But this behavior probably spreads pretty fast, right? I mean how hard can it be to convince someone that they deserve more for harder work? What if it causes instability in the community, I.E. all the coal miners refuse to mine coal and we all lose power and heat because of it? Should we take their house and food away for failing to keep up their end of the bargain?

Socialism is founded on collective bargaining. If coal miners feel they are being short-changed, they exercise their right to have a say in the democratic process. Society will work to accomodate them. What I don't understand, however, is what reason these coal miners would have to be greedy. Keep in mind, there would be no such thing as a commodity, only an item produced to meet human need. There would not be stuffty mattresses and luxury mattresses distributed based on percieved value of the recipient, there would be a standard mattress. Mattress isn't good enough? Ask the mattress producers to make better mattresses. Why wouldn't they? They use those mattressess too, you know. There's no incentive to create lower quality mattresses to encourage the buying of a more expensive mattress like there would be under capitalism.

If this all sounds idealistic, it's because this state cannot be reached until society begins to understand the merit of this system, whether naturally as a response to the inevitable worsening of conditions under capitalism (http://www.massline.org/PolitEcon/crises/Crises01.htm) or a competent leader persuading masses. It is possible, and it is worth working towards.

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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber

« on: August 10, 2017, 12:02:07 AM »

how the forget can you prove any of the stuff you're spewing right now

My dude how are you going to prove that men biologically do not like cutting hair? If you don't notice the stigma around men taking feminine roles, that's on you.

"During the initial fighting several thousand individuals were executed by anarchist and socialist militants based on their assumed political allegiance and social class."

I love how you jerk off catalonia until someone calls you out.

Funny how you went all the way back to grab that reply, and completely skimmed over my response to it.

Who knew things could go wrong when 3 world powers and multiple opposition-funded resistance groups physically go to war with a small nation?

Catalonia functioned well, for the most part, until the ongoing effort to destroy them finally grew too powerful for a small nation to handle. Just because imperialistic flexing conveniently appears to support your ideology doesn't mean you should play dumb.

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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber

« on: August 09, 2017, 11:46:39 PM »

statistically yes. it's not like a huge margin but it's definitely real

It's not biological mother forgeter it's because there's a "Gay" stigma surrounding male hairdressers.

It also happens to be enforced by openly gay men taking those positions due to them not fearing the gay stigma.

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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber

« on: August 09, 2017, 11:40:59 PM »

try "I'm aware that different genders go for different jobs because it's common loving sense" or "not as many women are into tech as you think in the same way not as many men are into hairdressing"

Because of unnecessary and counter-productive gender role enforcement? Or are you going to tell me men biologically do not like cutting peoples' hair now?

'informing you otherwise' monday you are delusional. The only way you could enforce communism is with a centralized government. You can keep imagining your fantasy ideology all you want but for the love of god stop stuffting up real political discussion with it.

The only way you can keep capitalism from trampling on the rights of everybody is with a centralized government. Even then, that turns out pretty poorly, doesn't it? If you want a historical example of social ownership working, try hunter-gatherer tribes. They worked together because individualism was inherently unsustainable for cavemen, and they had the common goal of survival. If you want a more recent one, try revolutionary Catalonia.

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Off Topic / Re: reasons why TODAY was a good day

« on: August 09, 2017, 11:32:45 PM »

/thread

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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber

« on: August 09, 2017, 11:32:01 PM »

do you hate men kimon

Yes

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Off Topic / Re: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber

« on: August 09, 2017, 11:28:19 PM »

And 'the people', those being the majority of people who actually work realize that capitalism is in the best interests of the people, not the government have one big monopoly on everything.

Are you being obtuse on purpose by insisting the a bureaucracy runs everything under communism despite me informing you otherwise?

waaaah boohoo there's an imbalance between men and women in all fields
get the forget over it

You really seem to lack experience with facing these sorts of problems (such as being denied from a job you trained for years in order to get because the job is designed around a male niche, or being unable to get a job better that the one you have because of the area you live in) if your response to them is commonly "get over it, I can." You getting over the fact that other people suffer is a lot easier than people "getting over" the fact that they may be locked out of the field they are trained in.