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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 19, 2012, 09:08:33 AM »

No, guns should cost what it costs to manufacture them plus a reasonable profit for the manufacturer. Your idea still does not account for illegal weapons already here.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 19, 2012, 09:03:08 AM »
Thomas Jefferson literally wrote the words thst establish our government, and he believed that the right to hold arms and bear then in rebellion was necessary. To repeat myself again, when governments fear their people, there is liberty. All else is tyrrany.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 19, 2012, 12:35:32 AM »
(1)Then please, lay it out for me.

(2)But it also puts me at risk. So that's infringing on the personal rights that libertarians seem love so much.
To address 1;
Libertarianism is, as the name implies, the belief in liberty. Libertarians strive for a free, peaceful, abundant world where each individual has the maximum opportunity to pursue his or her dreams and to realize his full potential.
The core idea is simply stated, but profound and far-reaching in its implications. Libertarians believe that each person owns his own life and property, and has the right to make his own choices as to how he lives his life – as long as he simply respects the same right of others to do the same.
Another way of saying this is that libertarians believe you should be free to do as you choose with your own life and property, as long as you don't harm the person and property of others.

Now, onto 2. You're not being put at risk by your neighbor owning a gun in any way. If he begins to threaten to kill you with said weapon, he is infringing on your rights, but if he is doing nothing aggressive towards anyone else, then he is not infringing on any right whatsoever.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 19, 2012, 12:30:24 AM »
But I don't want the guy next to me to have a quick and easy way to kill me. It is within my personal freedoms to fear for my life.
Right, but what if there is a third person. He has gold.

That means that he doesn't get to eat because we were too loving selfish. But, what if each person donated half of their resources to the "pot" (Like in poker)

But, we need someone to fairly distribute these resources, so that we don't have selfish starfishs.

And that's a government. But, what if our single man is too selfish himself? So let's get a few more. Infact, let's ask the entire tribe who they would prefer. Now we have voting! But we need more than one person to choose how the resources are divided, right?

So you are the guy with gold. You are thankful that these people see rationality. (people on welfare)

But I am the guy with the fish, or the guy with the logs. I say we loving drown that greedy motherforgeter and toss his body in a ditch.
Libertarianism calls for minimal government, with individuals managing and allocating their own resources where they see fit. I don't think you know what libertarians stand for, to be honest.
The right to own a gun defends us from our government as it was intended. If you'd like to suggest an equally powerful alternative, be my guest.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 19, 2012, 12:14:16 AM »
Ah, see. That's not anarchy. But I was under the impression that you meant all government.

(1)But I don't agree with every right in the constitution. Just because some guy 250 years ago thought that loving gunhead Joe next door should have his automatic assault rifle, I don't agree.

(2)No one wants to loving pay taxes.
I've labeled your points for more clear reference here. As I've said before, the beauty of being able to own firearms in this country, as perfectly stated by Thomas Jefferson is as follows; "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." We will never need to use our weapons against a government until they start taking away rights from the people. As citizens of this country it is our right as intended by the founding fathers to have the means to rebel and establish a society we see as being more fit.

How this relates to Point 1 of your statement is that, no, guns are not necessary for us to own as citizens. What is important is that we protect our right to do so, because weapons are what will make government fear its people and therefore secure liberty. We don't need guns until our liberty is threatened, but it is a right to have them regardless.

Looking at Point 2, if a service is necessary for a group of people, they for the most part are going to pay in some way to ensure its survival. If we needed fire to cook our food and we each had four logs to contribute to the fire, it doesn't matter if you don't want to give your logs because unless you give them to the fire, nobody gets to cook their food and we all eat raw food and become ill from it. Now you're thinking "ohoho, but what if I don't want to give you my logs?" If you don't want to give your logs over, then the fire will die and you will lose that privilege along with everyone else, and you will suffer along with everybody else, and now your logs are worthless to you because you can't eat wood.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 19, 2012, 12:04:31 AM »
Yeah, but in this system apparently nobody has to pay taxes, so how are these services provided if no citizens are paying taxes or fees to any 3rd parties?
Correction: Citizens aren't forced to pay fees to third parties.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 18, 2012, 11:58:07 PM »
I don't see why I should bother explaining if you don't try to understand.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 18, 2012, 11:50:34 PM »
But I can claim whatever property I wish to. And if someone says, "No, that's my property!", Then I feel like my right to infinite property is being violated.
Nope, you rightfully own what you produce with your own hands.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 18, 2012, 11:48:47 PM »
and im paying for all the losers in the country who are to handicapped to take care of themselves.
and i am paying for stuffloads of war i dont want.
and im paying for bailouts to companies that were already cheating me anyways.
And stupid-as-stuff wars. When did the Department of Defense start becoming the Department of Invasion?

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 18, 2012, 11:45:08 PM »
You are moving with your family right?

So you're saying that you should own all of the property? And be free to do whatever you want? But, what about my property? And my liberties? You get all of them and I get none?
When did I ever say I would own all the property and have all the liberties? You own what you produce and nothing more. You would have the right to minimal government interference and you would be free to use your time doing whatever you pleased so long as your actions were not aggressive to another human being.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 18, 2012, 11:34:57 PM »
Having everybody completely equal in a government would never work under any circumstances. Man B can deal with it and hope that he gets voted to a better position next term.
I never stated we would have equal government, I stated that I believe humanity is better self governed than governed by an entity which will never truly know his needs.

Since you are so great at earning your keep, why don't you live somewhere free of government? Like deep in the rainforest or in Antarctica. If you can survive urban life I'm sure you will be equally adept at living in the wild.
That's a ridiculous statement to make. Humans are social creatures and require interaction with others. I'm saying humans should not be able to rob each other of property or liberties under the guise of governing them, and no human should ever hold more power than the next by a popular vote. Power comes from work.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 18, 2012, 11:27:39 PM »
Man B can leave whenever he wants.
Where is Man B to go? Is he simply to abandon his livelihood and endlessly drift like Odysseus, never finding a suitable place to settle down, instead having to return home to the same problems?

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 18, 2012, 11:24:08 PM »
-snip-
All governments are made up of people. I just find the concept of giving one man more power than the next, by vote or any other method, is unnatural and immoral.

I don't want my money sequestered for causes I don't believe in under the guise of "tax." I don't want men I do not know to make decisions for me, my family, and all of my friends as if they know what is best for each one of us. I don't want to be forced to give part of my work to parasites who live off of the money of others because they cannot earn their keep. I want to control my life and my assets independently of a governmental entity.

I believe the idea of "Man A is more powerful than Man B because Man D and Man C said he should be" is immoral and goes against the very nature of human beings. We want to self-govern, it's basic instinct and left to his liberties, man would be fine.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 18, 2012, 11:08:53 PM »
it relates pretty well, im linking it because it contains some dead people (rather blurry though)
-snip-
Taking away guns is taking away the people's defense against tyranny and oppression.

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Off Topic / Re: Opinion about gun control?
« on: December 18, 2012, 11:06:43 PM »
So when exactly does defying the government start? And how?
Defying authority is already in our hearts. We're all born to defy authority, but we've been artificially molded into conformity. Our molds will all break, but we all have different tolerances. My tolerance is low, and my mold is broken. Defiance doesn't mean senseless murder.

We apparently have the right to rebellion, but no one has taken down the tyranny yet?
Rebellion happens when the people are ready

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