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After a couple of requests, I gave in. Here are the emails from that Christian nutbag. Beware, it's huge and split into many different emails when I replied. Posted here are the most significant. If you can spot made-up/misinterpreted facts or logical fallacies please do point them out, and if possible, with a description of the error. Happy reading.

Note: these are only excerpts. None of this, however, was cut out of context or cut and pasted into each other.
My previous topic about this had part 1 of "why gay people don't need rights after all", but I think I deleted the continuance. Maybe I'll find it later.


I'll start off with one of the funniest ones. I pointed out that various verses from the bible support the poorly-supported theories of the time, such as a flat world. This is his response to me pointing out Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them." Because you can totally see everything on a sphere.
Quote from: A prestigious college graduate
Big deal, i can show you that from my living room.
And a demon did control me, i saw my future as it would affect my family, so i know about that kind of power to transfigure and visualize,and it didnt take a mountaintop to do that. Satan asked God to jump from that mountain and have Gods Angels to save him. Jesus said, "Do not test the lord".
Quote from: Non-senile man
You cant see the kingdoms from a mountain? We already covered this senile boy, Hell i can see them on my 60 inch HDTV. and im certainly not in the least bit supernatural


One of his emails stating that science needs to revolve around a storybook. I kinda lost him after a while.
Quote from: A Christian loving his neighbor
DNA is designed no doubt about it. Now we have new and recent developments in DNA. Its even more complex as there are now known to be codes within codes, the Epigenetic Code and the Splicing Code, above and below. We have codes within codes, codes above and below codes -- a hierarchy of codes. They can't just stick their finger in the pistol this time and bluff their way out of it with smooth talking now, not with cannons to the left of them and cannons to the right of them, a whole arsenal aimed at their vital parts. This is a total game changer in intelligent design. No more bluffs claiming evolved DNA. The information age is showing intelligent design is highly likely , no accidents of nature, and claims of evolution in the life factors are crumbling .
And what about the earth as the center? atheists like to claim the Bible said it, it doesnt, but anyway , here is the crux of it. Actually we will never ever prove either way, and thats the real truth. Why , would I say that? read below.
Does the earth really revolve around the sun,or is the earth the center of the universe? Sound like a dumb question? modern science has reached some revolutionary conclusions in the wake of the General Relativity Theory. Specifically, modern science is now convinced that when two systems are in motion relative to one another, it could never be ascertained, from the scientific view point, as to which is in motion and which at rest, or whether both are in motion. remember that that the General Relativity theory has been accepted as fundamental to all exact sciences .

Earth center2,Consider this, (1) the same effect would be observed if the stars are centered around the sun and partake of the sun's annual motion around the earth. (2) the sun has an aether field attached to it that sweeps past the earth with a period of one year. The sun's aether would drag the starlight with it and an aberration would be observed. Science knows this as the Fresnel Drag, and it is readily observable."
Earth center 3,Fred Hoyle did say: We know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has no physical significance. (Hoyle 1975) He said this because all the observations would be the same. The only way that one could objectively say that the sun is the centre of the solar system is to be outside the solar system in an objective frame, with the solar system moving against a non-moving background.
Now we distinguished mathematicians and scientists saying that the only way we can explain Dark Energy is for the earth to be the center of the universe AGAIN
"Dark Energy May Not Exist At All"
Overturning Copernicus, eliminating dark energy Google , first item
Now, a paper set to be published in an upcoming edition of Physical Review Letters (arXiv pre-print available now) by a trio of Oxford astrophysicists suggests a different explanation for the accelerating expansion. In their proposal, dark energy does not exist at all and the supernovae data that led to scientists to propose it was improperly interpreted. In coming to this conclusion, however, the three researchers have to throw out a philosophical principle that has guided astronomy for over 450 years.
http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~zhu/ast210/geocentric.html shows a geocentric animation. This successfully shows why Mars is brighter during retreograde motion than at other times due to a smaller distance from earth during those times.

Have you ever observed a gyroscope?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqaMlKf9lDA&feature=related Or, "Geocentric MP4" , Gives a geocentric simulation video. This simulation appears to be a massive gyroscope holding the earth stable, and immovable, much like tht Bible inferred. This stability would place the earth on likely at least a thousand times more stable position then the heliocentric model.

"Dark energy , Still a puzzle" Some scientists claim to have new calculations that appear to prove Dark energy does not exist. The expansion of the universe away from us in all directions and in increasing speed (Dark energy) was hastily developed,but doesnt fit, to explain the phenomonen. Now it seems earth may actually be at a specuial center point of some kind and our known universe surrounds us.
The geocentric model also would show why mars is brighter during retrograde, and also why some planets seem to retrograde without explanation. Also would allow for life more than any model. Noone can prove either model and its likely we will never prove it due to our vastly limited scope.
Now even if the poetic language of Scriptures , Ecclesiastes 1:5 "the sun rises, goes down, and hurries to where he arose" seems strange to some in these days of Scientific terminology, it was not out of place thousands of years ago. The natural implication of this verse is motion. The following verses, verses 6 and 7, talk about the wind moving, and about the waters of the river moving. Thus the context backs up the sense of motion. So what reason is there to take the part that talks of the sun phenomenologically? Simply because they believe very strongly that the earth circles the sun, and thus it is the earth that truly and absolutely moves and not the sun?

That doesn't give anyone grounds to make it the exclusive way of interpreting scripture, in either event, and especially if the other opinion, the geocentric opinion, has not been disproven and never can be anyway. So when reading these passages that talk of the sun moving or the earth being still, we must read it with an open mind. It may be talking phenomenally. But it also may be talking literally. The point is You have no point either way.
Now the reality of the dogmatic and zealotic tendencies of scientists, not different than religious zealots. When the majority of them hold to a certain theory of things, other theories are cast aside and not extensively researched, because they hold that one theory as a worldview, as their truth. examples are the theory of evolution and the theories of relativity, which are not without their problems and criticisms. Once they took hold, other theories were ridiculed and not researched to the level of the predominant theory.
So what the hell do we really know??
Also, because a theory is useful, that doesn't make it true. You could use the butt of a gun to hammer in nails, So the gun could be useful in that way. But it isnt the true intended use for a gun , is it? It can be much better used than that unintended , but useful, way. Theories can be useful, but that doesn't make them correct

More on evolution!
Quote from: A man of True science
When Did Man Appear?

Six thousand to 60,000 years ago, God created Adam and Eve. That 6,000 to 60,000 encompasses the secular date of 8,000 to 24,000. Even at this most controversial level, we have so little data to work with that we see fundamental agreement between scientific evidence and the words of the Bible.
British cosmologist, Edward Harrison, who says, "Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God. The design argument of William Paley updated and refurbished. The fine-tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence for theistic design. Take you choice: blind chance that requires an infinite number of universes, or design that requires only one."
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline towards the theistic or the design argument, and for good reason. It's because the appeal to an infinite number of universes where ours by pure chance out of that infinite number takes on the conditions essential for life, is committing the gamblers fallacy
You're assuming the benefit of an infinite sample size, when you can only provide evidence for one. Let me give you an example. If I were to flip a coin 10,000 times and it were to come up heads 10,000 times in a row, you could conclude that the coin has been fixed with a purpose to come up heads. That's the rational bet.
But the irrational better would say that conceivably, two to the 10,000 coins could exist out there. And if those two to the 10,000 coins are like my coin, but all getting different results than I see here, then this coin could be fair.
It's the gamblers fallacy because you have no proof of the existence of those other coins or that they take on similar characteristics of the coin that you're flipping, and you have no evidence that those coins are producing different results.
The equations of General Relativity guarantee that we will never discover another universe. God may have created two, but we'll never know about it because the equations of General Relativity tell us that the Space-Time manifold of universe A will never overlap the space-time manifold of universe B.
Other Universes? No Way to Know

That means we will be forever ignorant about the possibility of other universes, because the sample size will always be one. Therefore, the appeal to infinite chances rather than to the God of the Bible is the gambler's fallacy.

Some more about the bible's stupidity
Quote from: someone needs to change his Depends
You still do not research or read the entire Scriptures. Ecclesiasties 1, 4-11
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises'.
Were from Solomons search and as Solomon said in verse 2 "Meaningless! Meaningless! Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless!" In verse 4, Solomon begins the substantiation of his conclusion. First, he points out that man's existence is fleeting, as compared to the perpetuity of nature: "Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever" (vs. 4). Since we "come" and "go", how could there be any lasting meaning for us here? "Though the earth abideth, yet, because man abides not on the earth to possess it, therefore his rest and happiness cannot be here."

Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. 7All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again. 8All things are wearisome, more than one can say. The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing. Solomon found life "wearisome" because he discovered that the "eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing."

Solomon found life wearisome, and was stating that in his own conclusions . He was seeking satisfaction in the things of the world, and if you read the Scriptures you would have known that.

Solomons words as others were a part of the reality of the Bible. As it should be,. life as it really is. The things of this world are not satisfying, wearisome at times, and that is reality. We will experience all of this, until the eternal life where "all things are new"

Quote from: the reason Atheists are the DEVIL
We also know that Atheist dominated countries killed 130 million in the last century alone. That is much more than all crimes from that could even remotely be blamed on Christians in history. And those Atheist inspired killings are in the in last century alone. not even to mention those B4 that. Show me some proof that atheism would have been somehow better. I have already shown the many benefits this world has known from Christianity, and even now its apparent.
Number of massacres in the name of no god: 0
Number of massacres in the name of God: link

Another couple of snips I found about Evolution:
Quote from: herpaderp
You still fail to understand there are no DNA connections, there is NO proof. And Science theorized (falsifiable) common ancestors and that has NO DNA connections, and there are also NO logical connections, Because the fossils have NO transitionals only those that appear alike, which could have been the designers game, as well as Darwins. The Cambrian Period showed NO phyla either before or after The Cambrian period, there were NO transitions. You have nothing and the Biblical Genesis definition of creation precedes Science by thousands of years. The millions of accidental and unlikely evolutions totally crossing over from species is the most illogical answer. It well could be that Occams Razor has some validity there also, wheras , the simplest explanation is usually the right one. And the simplest explanation is a designer, just as it is in everything that surrounds you right now. Deny that and your actually denying the reality of your home, your car, the computer and almost everything around you. Those were all designed, none of it accidentally happened
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Provide one example where new information was added to DNA as observed by science. After thousands of years of breeding different species it has never led to completely new species being formed. Until that happens there is NO proof of macroevolution. Richard Dawkins was given this in a debate, He never answered it because there are NONE.

Oh yeah, and Riddler was a Christian. I gave a couple of quotes in my reply, this was his response:
Quote from: god's loyal servant
We know that the Holocaust was also anti-Christian. After Riddler revealed his true intentions, the Catholic Church opposed him.
"I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."
-Adolf Riddler (Speech in Reichstag, 1936)

"[I wish to express my church's] sincere and joyous preparedness to cooperate as best they could with the government now ruling that had set itself that tasks of promoting the Christian education of the people, repelling ungodliness and immorality, developing readiness to make sacrifices for the common good and protecting the rights of the Church."
- Cardinal Adolf Bertram, Archbishop of Breslau (letter to Adolf Riddler following the announcement of the Concordat between national socialist Germany and the Vatican)

I KNOW the following quote is a fallacy, I just don't know which. Someone tell me.
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If Thor or whatever, including your Klook or whatever, was a true God, wouldnt there be 8 billion of their Bibles worldwide, and wouldnt their Gospels be in every nation on earth as Jesus said, and as the Bible is? you cant argue that, you have nothing. End of Story.

One of dozens:
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If God is real, and you know its more likely that he is, how can you possibly justify driving someone into Atheism. To destroy someones soul and eternal life is not only cruel, but pathetically cruel and sadistic. A God who wants his children to have eternal life, would certainly destroy forever anyone who destroys his own. I doubt you can begin to understand that, as its unlikely you have children. What can you possibly gain by doing this?
Loving his neighbor all right.

Here he summarizes my reply
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Idiotic unread and falsely placed lies by Atheists WOW.


Sooooo yeah. If you guys can find facts that are made up/misinterpreted, logical fallacies, or if possible, ways to refute this, please tell me. I'll add some more good stuff later.

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That stupid bigot Christian is emailing me again, and reading his enormous rants is frustrating. I need someone who is good at debate to at least give me pointers and what is wrong with his argument, aside from using unchangeable scripture as absolutely correct science.

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Off Topic / The Rick Roll and its alternatives
« on: April 01, 2012, 01:50:58 AM »
A collection to celebrate one of the most trap linked videos in the history of the internet.

Rick Rolls
8-bit version
Better 8-bit version
Brony version
Mario Paint Version
Scary version
(Posting the link to the original video gets you a nasty warning, don't try it)

Alternative trap videos
Sax Roll'd
McDonald's Roll'd
McScaryRoll
Czech Roll'd
Trololo Roll'd

This is only what I could find in a few minutes, so I'm sure there's more. If you can find others that would fit this list somewhere post them here.

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Off Topic / Does anyone know the Crusade's total death toll?
« on: March 25, 2012, 08:29:03 PM »
Some of you may recall the Jesus freak PMing me over Youtube. Well, he just made the claim that only 200,000 people died in the Crusades. I'm positive this is an underestimate. So, does anyone have the real number who died in the Crusades? I haven't found any concrete sources. If you do know, could you provide your source?

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Games / "Revenge" - Minecraft Music Video
« on: March 24, 2012, 02:53:40 PM »

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On an anti-religion video, I made an undirected post about my opinion on how the bible has caused much injustice throughout history. A day later, I get this personal message:

Quote from: Youtube Inbox
Taking away womens rights with problem pregnancy? approximately 46 million abortions are performed every year, worldwide. Approximately 126,000 abortions are performed daily, worldwide. Approximately 45,600,000 were aborted in 1995. Thats not just problem pregnancys thats murder. There are more killed by abortion than in all wars combined. Its a proven statistic that 93 percent of all abortions are for social reasons, that is the child is not wanted or inconvenient or not the love they wanted. If you cant control your love drive, for humanity, at least stop killing the children and calling it morally right.
Taking away homoloveualls right to marry. The only reason most gays want marraige is for monetary gains. Marraige is paramount in reproduction, if it were not why would there be any reason for the government to be involved in regulating or rewarding it. It makes no sense at all for taxpayers to support priveleges for two people to simply live together unless it fosters homes and familys. That was and is the primary reason, otherwise its rediculous.
When 2 people have children one is normally needed to raise the child, or childcare is needed. That need makes it necessary for economic privilages. And the couple must have time an extra funds to build the home and provide the base. Why should I help to support 2 with my tax money , who are both able to work? If a gay person has children they can get deductions and tax breaks. If in fact the gay marraiges are instituted it will erode the funds necessary to feed the children of familys who need that support. That will in time destroy all tax breaks . the benefits, because the base reasons would cease to exist.
In fact gay marraige will cause more children to go hungry, so the gay partners can use the money. If you have no children, a gay couple allready has advantages over other married couples. Do you even have a clue how much it costs to feed, clothe and school a child?? Anyone who supports this situation is guilty of greed and a total lack of caring for others.
If you really read the Bible in any depth at all, you would see that what you call killings, were in defense of their own lives. The Hebrews were persecuted and killed by the Canaanites, and others.
The Bible condemned slavery starting in the first book after creation, Exodus 21,16, He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death. In other references manstealing was condemned also.
Slavery was never condoned in the Bible, and since slavery was ingrained into society,slaves had no rights . You forget that the Hebrews also were slaves, many in those times also. If you think slavery was accepted it misses the reality of the situation, it was tolerated because there was nothing else they could do. Rebellion was fruitless and would cause death and suffering. The rich slave owners had power and Hebrews were inconsequential to that.
Also there were no support systems, no food, no housing, no aid, no unemployment, and slavery was also the prison system, just as it still is today as per the 13th amendment`s words. A debtor system also,
Many sold themselves into slavery just to survive the times. In case you fail to understand those times, your not alone. many fail to see the reality of the situation then. It wasnt even illegal to kill your child until the first Christian ruler came into power centuries later.
The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which brought an end to racial slavery in the U.S, does allow for just-title SERVITUDE to punish criminals: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. So in fact prisoners are in servitude just as in Biblical times.
The Hebrews actually instituted the first real changes in slavery, allowing slaves to be freed after 7 years and with help, that is unless the slaves did not want to leave. In fact some stayed, Where would they go? Out into a world without any support? And the armed forces could be called an indentured servitude also. For 4 years your obligated

And if you think somehow because we have laws against slavery , it has ended today. far from it, there are more slaves today then there were in those times. Also slavery can be compared to the drug trade today. We cannot stop the drug cartels, doubtful we ever will. Slavery and drugs are big money to those who control it. See the movie "Traffic" if you think thats wrong, it may open your eyes.

Do we condone drugs now, no, then why is it still so strong now? Get the point Sherlock, in those times they had even less control of the situation then we do now. And if you actually did some real research other than Atheist blogs, you would realize that slavery laws were brought by Christians who fought for those laws.

It took mankind thousands of years to develop enough sensitivity to free slaves, and even hundreds more years to bring racial prejudice to where we are now. What the hell are people thinking, even now when the claim religion has made things worse. Nothing is ever that simple. Obviously they have absolutely no understanding of the world in centuries past.

Everything is becoming corrupted, again Jesus was right about that. False prophets, and what can we trust?
Are we learning from our mistakes? yes , and No. Now we are destroying the planet, killing close to 50 million babys per year, and drugs and many colleges are polluting our childrens brain, instead of learning. They dont care about the kids, because again money is their bottom line.

The affluent countries are turning literally into stuff. I love science, always have, Science is wonderful ? But lets be realistic. Again we have corrupted that also. Science theory is falsifiable, thats why its theory, however if you watch Science channels they claim those theories like they are fact, and thats just lies. Comparable to preachers who claim to heal, and liars exist for monetary gain in both events.

We had religion for thousands of years, with no danger of destroying the world, however Science in the last century has been able to bring the world to the verge of destruction. So if you want to cry destruction of man, religion never had that power. Because man is basically corrupted he corrupts that along with everything. Jesus never said anything to corrupt man, but he did say man would corrupt all things. Christianity is not the problem, when man cannot live by Christ`s words.
Dont try to distort the truth, Put the blame where it belongs.

Have a great day

TL;DR:
1. Abortion is murder and women shouldn't have the choice to abort.
2. Abortion causes more death then wars.
2. Homoloveuals want to be married for the money and not because they love each other.
2. Gay marriage makes kids die of hunger and supporting it makes you greedy.
3. Slavery is okay as long as it's governed by the bible.
4. Science is wonderful, but destroys the world.
5. Religion is better then science
6. We must live by the words of divine beings instead of ideals created through the scientific method.

I want to point out what he just said, but I'm wondering whether or not arguing with this guy (who is apparently 70) is completely futile. Discuss?

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Games / Gory video game symptoms
« on: March 13, 2012, 12:46:55 AM »
I was playing dead space 2 today, and after about an hour of gameplay, I got a headache and my eyes began to hurt. This doesn't happen to me on any other game. Is this just me?

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Off Topic / John McCain: Lets bomb Syria!
« on: March 06, 2012, 10:14:13 PM »
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73627.html

I think his children should go die in a war, since he's so eager to send other people to their deaths. Why do many people think the United States' armed forces need to police other countries? Isn't that NATO's job?

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Off Topic / Hot tits and boobies (images)
« on: February 29, 2012, 09:52:13 PM »
Tits:


Boobies:


Enjoy.

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Off Topic / Riddler's antics
« on: February 16, 2012, 11:40:28 PM »

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Off Topic / YouTube video recommendation system borked
« on: February 15, 2012, 12:40:19 AM »
As many of you know I was a brony in the past. Which is why the recommended video list on the right has dozens of pony remixes. Can I reset this now? Or at least make it use the older system? I want relevant videos again.

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Suggestions & Requests / Smooth terrain
« on: February 08, 2012, 12:39:14 AM »
The only terragens I've seen thus far are filled with square blocks. The freestyle skiing of v20 is gone, so we need a replacement.

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General Discussion / Favorite Blockland Version
« on: February 06, 2012, 11:33:42 PM »
Which one did you have the most fun on? The most nostalgia? The most time? The first one you used?

I'm just curious on the opinion of the entire forum.

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General Discussion / What's going to happen to the "Maps" forum?
« on: February 06, 2012, 12:30:27 AM »
The newest update will break all maps but slate. So what about the thousands of maps available in the Maps forum? Will they all be deleted?

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Off Topic / Hidden meanings in words
« on: February 05, 2012, 09:41:47 PM »
This is a curious subject I recently stumbled upon. Take a look at these:

"Stressed" is "desserts" backwards
"Slaughter" is "laughter" with an s
Inside "belief" there is "lie"

I'm trying to make a list. Know any others?

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