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Off Topic / Re: I-Doser Thread | An Intelligent Discussion of Binaural Audio and Long Words
« on: July 14, 2011, 09:19:32 PM »
Thanks for unlocking.
I'll start by pasting a PM here:
Hi.
First of all, why did you lock the I-Doser topic? Kind of disappointing, I felt there were still things to discuss. Since I can't reply to you in the topic I'll just use personal message instead.
Your reply was this:
Here are some questions to ask yourself: Why are the effects people experience significantly different? Is it because people have different expectations of how 'alcohol.mp3' will affect them? Do real-life drugs have radically different effects from person to person?
Also, when you don't want placebo to work it doesn't work. Does real medicine not work when you don't want it to? Could I shoot myself with 5 grams of morphine and not overdose if I didn't want to? Of course not.
Perhaps it doesn't work for many of the people who try it, but those are not the people who you hear from, either because you are not looking for experiences where nothing happened or because those people don't want to admit that it didn't work. Maybe they pirated it and when it didn't work they felt like it wasn't worth talking about. Many possibilities, all more probable than it actually working.
and now following up on that is this PM, which I'll now respond to:
Say you buy a $5.00 air freshener and plug it into the wall and you notice that your room smells better. Now flash forward a couple of days when you go to refill it and realize that none of the fragrance has left the container; it doesn't work. Wouldn't you feel sort of cheated? Imagine paying $200 for an .mp3 file before coming to that realization.
This is not something you should support, these people are scammers. They are literally taking people's money and giving them almost nothing in return.
I'll start by pasting a PM here:
Hi.
First of all, why did you lock the I-Doser topic? Kind of disappointing, I felt there were still things to discuss. Since I can't reply to you in the topic I'll just use personal message instead.
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Placebo or not, I get the effect so I don't care.I answered this by saying that placebo works off of expectations, and the expectation these people have is that it will work. They're like you, they've seen reaction videos and read the site posted online. Anyone paying as much as $200 for a music file is of course expecting it to work, and when they try it out it's going to work to some degree. They tell their friends. They post a reaction video. They post on forums. They become the salesperson.
And if it doesn't work, why do all the reactions to Gates of Hades all them getting scared? The placebo would have a different effect from person to person.
Your reply was this:
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>assuming people have seen videos of it before/didn't get a random friend to do it.A person doesn't have to see evidence for placebo effect to happen. You don't need to give fake sleeping pills to your friend and watch him sleep in order to feel tired after taking one. You just know that they're called sleeping pills and you expect them to induce sleep after you take one. Same thing here: You read the music file's title/description and have a basic idea of what I-Dosing is, then you listen to the file through your headphones and imagine the effects.
Here are some questions to ask yourself: Why are the effects people experience significantly different? Is it because people have different expectations of how 'alcohol.mp3' will affect them? Do real-life drugs have radically different effects from person to person?
Also, when you don't want placebo to work it doesn't work. Does real medicine not work when you don't want it to? Could I shoot myself with 5 grams of morphine and not overdose if I didn't want to? Of course not.
Perhaps it doesn't work for many of the people who try it, but those are not the people who you hear from, either because you are not looking for experiences where nothing happened or because those people don't want to admit that it didn't work. Maybe they pirated it and when it didn't work they felt like it wasn't worth talking about. Many possibilities, all more probable than it actually working.
and now following up on that is this PM, which I'll now respond to:
Well, if it's placebo and people learn it's fake, then the placebo wouldn't work and ruin it for everybody. At least with placebo you get an effect.Sure, if the placebo works and you're satisfied that's all well and good. There is one problem though; people are making money off a sham product. People may be tricked into thinking it's a legitimate product producing real effects but that doesn't change the fact that they just paid for a product which doesn't actually do anything.
Also, somewhat related...Binaural Audio has been show to change brain waves, but i-doser is skeptical. I'll unlock...hold on...
Say you buy a $5.00 air freshener and plug it into the wall and you notice that your room smells better. Now flash forward a couple of days when you go to refill it and realize that none of the fragrance has left the container; it doesn't work. Wouldn't you feel sort of cheated? Imagine paying $200 for an .mp3 file before coming to that realization.
This is not something you should support, these people are scammers. They are literally taking people's money and giving them almost nothing in return.