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Off Topic / Re: My Reasons for Being Atheist
« on: May 25, 2011, 02:59:56 PM »
That is exactly what makes a concept illogical. On of the main features of logic is that you can use it to explain to any open minded person and concept that they are not an expert on. Therefore, if one person can understand and it is logical, then more than one person can grasp the logic of it.

You can't have a logical argument based off of things that nobody knows. How can you say that X is Y because Z, if you have know idea what Z is, and no one else in the world does either.
things that nobody knows =/= things nobody will ever know
But I agree with you on that it is stupid to base an argument off what you do not know. In fact, I think we agree on everything besides what constitutes illogical. I happen to hold the view that a false claim can have a logical basis but still not be correct. Anyway, it isn't that important.

ATHEISTS: Atheists are divided into 2 groups: strong and weak atheists. Weak ones just don't like the idea of God/s, so they ignore religion. Strong ones try to always argue their point in saying that gods don't exist, and always use some extremely complicated scientific, logical (to them) solution so they can outsmart religious people.

AGNOSTICS: Agnostics are simply people who don't believe in gods, or religion, but instead of arguing with Christians, agnostics try to find their own path to spiritual and mental peace and calmness.
Agnostics are people who think that supernatural claims are unprovable / unknowable.
Atheists are people who deny the existence of deities.
You can be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist.

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Off Topic / Re: My Reasons for Being Atheist
« on: May 24, 2011, 11:28:56 PM »
Logic: a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic?show=0&t=1306293640

How can it be reasonable if no one can reason with it. You cannot reason what you cannot comprehend. Things may be feasible, but not necessarily logical.
On the other hand, something may not appear feasible, but may still be logical. Just because a person lacks the ability to comprehend something does not mean that it is illogical. Many people cannot comprehend what others understand perfectly well. If no human can comprehend a concept, it does not render that concept illogical. It's basically the same scenario as before but on a larger scale. With further discovery, seemingly illogical concepts can later be reasoned. This can mean that an unknowingly invalid claim's validity is later able to be challenged. This can also mean that an unknowingly valid claim's validity is later able to be established.

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Off Topic / Re: My Reasons for Being Atheist
« on: May 24, 2011, 10:59:05 PM »
..all theories for creation or existence are not actually things which can be comprehended by humans, and are therefore illogical. The point of logic is that it is universal to all of man. The way I used logic was not as a personal opinion, but as a factoid of human capabilities.
What line of thinking are you basing this off of? If something can't be comprehended by humans then that just means that we can't comprehend it, it doesn't say anything about whether it makes sense. A newborn child cannot comprehend a number of concepts, but that does not make those concepts illogical.

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Off Topic / Re: Christianity - Postitive replies only
« on: May 22, 2011, 10:37:32 PM »
The atheists in this thread really should just focus on two points:
1. You can't prove god exists.
2. The burden of proof is on the religious.
And just focus on getting that idea accross.
this, claims of God being unfair or not caring are not convincing in any way. I think that people should focus more on logical problems of religion in general rather than any single deity.

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blurriffic, maybe too much blur on the first one? looks nice though.

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Off Topic / Re: My mom... again.
« on: May 15, 2011, 07:42:38 PM »
im guessing your about 8?
in all seriousness
in all seriousness, no.

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Off Topic / Re: I have lost faith in society
« on: May 15, 2011, 12:53:20 PM »
I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few things:
..we are becoming self-absorbed [...] This can be seen by the fact that most Hollywood celebrities would rather convert to religions such as Buddhism and Scientology, where they are not subject to any divine judgement. I do not hate/dislike Buddhists themselves, I am just saying that society has become too individualistic for us modern devotionists.  This is the very reason religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are fading away, the fact that people are unwilling to accept subjection to any divine judgement, and a good portion of people would easily prefer a permissive society where they can do almost anything they want. Permissive society is mostly weak minded in my opinion.
You equate conversion to religions outside of Christianity, Islam and Judaism as connected to being self-absorbed. Conversion to any religion happens because a person is either indoctrinated or convinced. People don't get up and say, "I'm going to join the Church of Scientology 'cause I'm not liking this divine judgment stuff!" It doesn't happen. Maybe a person could be put off by specific elements of their religion, like divine judgment, but saying that it is connected to an embracing of permissive society is a generalizing statement. I think all that you're trying to do here is impose your religion's (and related religions) superiority over others.
  Another thing that shows this is how a lot of mainstream music as we know today focuses on self pleasure and immoral aspects of society. Almost any shallow, no dimensioned song with a good beat and lyrics about fame, love, and drugs can become a hit these days. What happened to mainstream music that changed the music industry, that was well engineered, that had real artistic value and dimension put into it? If I dare show that I have a dislike for mainstream music that is played everywhere by everyone and express my own for a bit, I'll just be labeled as a "hipster", which is a very ignorant insult in many ways that I shouldn't even have to explain. I'm not trying to look cool by pretending to be against society, I have a true dislike for it.
Don't lose hope; there's people out there composing music with artistic value. I share your views on mainstream music; I dislike it and insults thrown at me because of that are ridiculous. However, as I'm sure you've figured out, mainstream music of the 50's is different than mainstream music of the 60's, which is different from the 70's, and the 70's are different from the 80's and so on. What's mainstream changes every couple of years, it's bound to get better. For now, my advice is that you realize that you are not the intended audience for mainstream music and move on.
  Another thing that is horribly bugging me is how a lot of youth today are also becoming more shallow and ignorant because of media and self interest. A good percentage of students these days would rather try to have love with others and focus on social relations than to learn important education from schools in which they can apply it to impact society in a positive way. Instead, some kids will like to think that politics and such are dumb because everyone argues so much and tend to ignore it and will most likely become a part of an uneducated and easily swayed electorate that will impulsively vote for the candidate who makes the most outrageous claims in the electorate's interests. This is the reason in my opinion why a lot of radical socialists are gaining support.
You're making a lot of assumptions here, first of all that the youth of today are actually becoming more shallow and ignorant. Your opinion-stated-as-fact here stands in direct contrast to the reality of things; more and more people are enrolling in college (http://nces.ed.gov/programs/youthindicators/Indicators.asp?PubPageNumber=22) than ever before, directly because of improved education opportunities (http://nces.ed.gov/programs/youthindicators/Indicators.asp?PubPageNumber=10). From that same website you'll find that dropout rates are decreasing, literacy is steadily increasing, and proficiency in most subjects in increasing. I do doubt though that this is the point you wanted to drive home. What you're fretting over here is that students are going to go off and vote for radical socialists. This is only a reflection of your fears of socialism, you've imagined a scenario and tried the best you could to apply it to the real world.
  Continuing with the youth, what has happened to the moral standards of most of them? The trend that the general youth population are becoming more and more ignorant and shallow as the years go by seems to apply. I see many people cursing out their parents on Facebook for a simple punishment they received for the stupidest actions, and then I feel bad because I see people who are angry over their parents for real issues such as divorce and such. It makes me sick, there seems to be no respect these days for the long lasting and moral foundation of the family. This is yet another thing I see permissive society doing, is trying to attack the structure of the family with its ideals, I dare you to prove me wrong on this.
You've put forward a claim with no integrity. Families have never been perfect, while you're complaining about the lack of respect for firmly-established family values you should be thankful that we've come so far. Remember the rulers who killed their siblings to gain power? Remember how parents of the 1800's beat their children regularly? There are still domestic disturbances, there's still divorces, there's still crazies out there who will kill their children, there's still child molesters, there's still conflict in this "perfect family unit". It's been there forever, it's nothing new. The illusion of a pure, perfect nuclear family is one we've knowingly deluded ourselves into. The worst thing we could do is force unstable families together. If permissive society is attacking family ideals, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't.

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Off Topic / Re: My mom... again.
« on: May 14, 2011, 08:56:01 PM »
Okay listen guys, this is serious:
I was getting really thirsty (it was 8:00 and realy late so i just needed something before bed) so I came into the kitchen and went to the refrigerator. I took out some milk and got the glass ready and everything but this milk was brand new and totally full so when I tried to pour it it spilled all over the table. immediately I started bawling right there and then my brother's friends came in and started laughing at me like total asses and I went to get paper towels but, blinded by my tears, I stumbled into the counter doing what must have been some serious internal damage to myself in the stomach region. I fell to the floor and they just kep laffing and laffing and they wouldnt help me up so I'm just laying there in a pool of milk, fetal position and crying liike i never had before. so I'm PROBABLY bleeding internally now and i caused a big mess which meanss no dessert I'm so PISSED at myself

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Forum Games / Re: Earth 2.0.
« on: May 14, 2011, 06:29:32 PM »
When was it decided that chemical weapons were not allowed? I've been developing them since the start of this thread and that stockpile is going to cost me a lot to get rid of.

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Forum Games / Re: Earth 2.0.
« on: May 14, 2011, 02:26:59 PM »
People have been starting wars every other post so I really can't tell.

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Forum Games / Re: Earth 2.0.
« on: May 13, 2011, 09:02:48 PM »
Shinji, could you link to this post in the op?

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Off Topic / Re: you are on fire
« on: May 12, 2011, 09:11:05 PM »
HOW TO PUT OUT?
Start a topic in the off-topic section QUICK!

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Games / Re: Brink - Oh hey, it's out.
« on: May 11, 2011, 01:40:05 PM »
I really need to stop reading youtube comments.

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Forum Games / Re: Earth 2.0.
« on: May 10, 2011, 06:36:00 PM »
dUMBELLS, since Irajinia surrendered, wouldn't they be undeclared an enemy of the AAEE?
updated.

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Forum Games / Re: Earth 2.0.
« on: May 09, 2011, 09:00:46 PM »
Posistantk grants the slaves citizenship and integrates them into society.

Posistantk asks for 20 more.

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