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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 06:34:45 PM »
Ok seeing you are all too loving lazy here it is.

What is The Zeitgeist Movement?


Started in late 2008, The Zeitgeist Movement exists as the communication and "Activist Arm" of an organization called The Venus Project. The Venus Project was started many decades ago by Social/Industrial Designer Jacque Fresco and his life's work has been to address and overcome the lack of sustainability existing currently across the world and work to incorporate new methods and values before it is too late. The basic pursuit of The Movement is to begin a transition into a new, sustainable social design called a “Resource-Based Economy”. This term was first coined by Jacque Fresco of the Venus Project and refers to an economic structure based exclusively on strategic resource management as the starting point for all decisions.

Basic Observations:
In the view of The Movement, the world today has become very detached from the physical world, with techniques of production and distribution that have no relationship to the environment. Our use of a profit based, “growth” driven monetary system has become one of the greatest destroyers of the natural world, not to mention sustainable human values. It is important to understand that the entire global economy requires “cyclical consumption” to operate, which means that money must constantly be circulating. Thus, new goods and services must be constantly introduced regardless of the state of the environment and actual human necessity. This "perpetual" approach has a fatal flaw, for resources as we know it are simply not infinite. Resources are finite and the Earth is essentially a closed system.
The true goal of any economy is to preserve - or "economize" - this is not occurring and cannot occur in a monetary driven system where labor for income requires consumer demand. We actually live in a global "anti-economy" by all rational standards.

Also, the intents inherent within a monetary system are counter progressive and derive a strategic edge from scarcity. This means that depleted resources are actually a positive thing for industry in the short term, for more money can be made off each respective unit. This is known as the basic law of supply & demand and hence “value” in economics. This creates a perverse reinforcement to ignore environmental problems and the negative consequences of scarcity, for it literally translates into profit. There is little intrinsic motivation to "solve" any problem or to make things that last in the current model. It is much more beneficial for jobs and hence profit to "service" things- not resolve them.

In other words, the system requires problems/constant consumer interest in order to work. The more people who have cancer in America, the better the economy due to expensive medical treatments. Needless to say, this generates an inherent disregard for human well being. The monetary arrangement, whether in the form of capitalism, communism, socialism, fascism, free-market or the like, is utterly detached from natural resources and thus human well-being. It is erroneously assumed that the incentive to seek money is also the incentive to help society. Nothing could be further from the truth. For example, every single product created by a corporation today is immediately inferior by design, for the market requirement to cut creation costs in favor of lowering the output "purchase price" to maintain a competitive edge, automatically reduces the quality of any given item by default. In other words it is impossible to create the “strategically best”, long lasting anything in our society and this translates into, again, outrageous amounts of resource waste. This is entirely and provably unsustainable as a social system and the world you are beginning to see emerge around you, with growing starvation, poverty, unemployment; along with the growing scarcity of water, food and arable land, is the result.

Likewise, most occupations are not directly related to the actual necessities of life. Rather, they are artificial concoctions in order to keep people employed so they can acquire purchasing power to keep cyclical consumption going. The very reality that each human being is required to be put in a position of servitude to a corporation or client in order to gain income to purchase the necessities of life also perpetuates extreme, needless waste... however, this time, it is the waste of the human mind and human life. In the modern world, advancements in science and technology have shown that we can automate a great deal. In fact, statistically speaking, the more we have applied mechanization to labor, the more productive things have become. Therefore, it is not only negligent for us to waste our lives waiting tables, working at a bus station, fixing cars, or other repetitive, monotonous jobs, it is also entirely irresponsible for us not to apply modern mechanization techniques to all industries possible for, apart from strategic resource management, this is a powerful way to achieve balance and abundance for all the world's people, reducing crime generating imbalances.

In other words, it is time to update society to present day knowledge, taking the carrying capacity of the earth into account and realigning our methods based not on the reward of monetary gain..but the goal of social sustainability as a whole.

Even with our current, destructive methods, the Earth is still abundant with resources. Today our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter-productive to the well-being of people. Today’s society has access to highly advanced technologies and can easily provide more than enough for a very high standard of living for all the earth’s people. This is possible through the implementation of a Resource-Based Economy.

A Resource-Based Economy utilizes existing resources rather than money, and provides an equitable method of distribution in the most humane and efficient manner for the entire population. It is a system in which all natural, man-made, machine-made, and synthetic resources would be available without the use of money, credits, barter, or any other form of symbolic exchange. A Resource-Based Economy would utilize existing resources from the land and sea, and the means of production, such as physical equipment and industrial plants, to enhance the lives of the total population. In an economy based on resources, conservation and the most advanced methods of science and technology, we could easily produce all of the necessities of life and provide a high standard of living for all. To do this, we have to overcome our current, outdated, establishment practices. This is the purpose of The Zeitgeist Movement- to create a global awareness to thus transition into a new, sustainable direction for humanity as a whole.

This is a summary.

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 06:28:07 PM »
It's long and has so many aspects. They explain it better.

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:51:59 PM »
You don't even need to be intelligent to know that there will ALWAYS be bad people stealing and doing crimes. Without anyone to enforce these laws what will happen? I am also pretty sure that we would lose most technology, due to the fact that we must pay for it, and that other countries won't give us anything for free. And working without pay? That is.... ugh.  What you guys described was anarchy at it's worst.

Watch the films

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:49:27 PM »
My parents tried to bring me up with Peace/love style ideals, But I'm still a greedy asshat.

You were exposed to the outside world.

where is addendum?



Addendum is film 2

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:47:55 PM »
Could we please just watch the loving movies so we can have an informed debate please?

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:46:56 PM »
When we realize that a world-wide system is what this is based on and not the idea of nations, it tends to make more sense. Think in that mindset.

My country is my world, my religion is to do good.
                                                                 -Thomas Paine

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:43:24 PM »
If you thought harder about this you would know Chaos would soon follow without a currency.

This is where the "Venus-Project" comes in. Plus it's a resource based economy.

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:42:38 PM »
I'll just steal all of your other resources then.

The resources, due to technology, will be in major abundance. So there would be no need to do this.

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:41:40 PM »
1. Without a military that number would be MUCH higher on the terrorism part.

2. Economic failure? Bah. If you define economic failure by "world superpower from 1940 something to 2000", then yeah, it is an economic failure.

World-wide effort as far as terrorism goes.

Watch addendum before you go making claims for the umpteenth time.

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:38:39 PM »
Who wouldn't like to live in an equal, harmonic, nature-loving world. It just isn't going to happen, ever. Life is unfair, life sucks, people are greedy and always will be. While the idea of this is generally good, it's just a wild fantasy that will never occur.

I assume you are opperating off of the idea of human nature. This is a false idea because we are brought up to believe this.

If I were to bring up my child with these ideas he would follow them with no intent of greed power, etc.

So I'm totally gonna break into your house with weapons I took from the now disarmed military at night when you can't see due to being off the power grid and take all of your money that you took out of the bank and thier would be no military or civil force to stop me.

Sounds like this could induce anarchy.

You wouldn't need to do tis there is no money.

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:27:09 PM »
Please, watch the movies before you start to agree/contradict.

I will watch it later.
Just give me one good thing that will come out of America not having a military. All you do is point at this movie and can't give valid examples. If you say the movie and you're eyes were opened you will have no problem giving me one example.

That stuff is long and I could explain it too you I just don't want to type it all out and plus they explain it much better than I could.

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:21:47 PM »
Ok let me point a few things out.

1. This isn't Communism. Communism and Capitalism only differ by who they trade with and how much the state intervens. This system doesn't support money at all. It promotes the use of technology to extend the use of a resource and further abundance in renewable ones.

2. As far as military concerns of invasion, we will need a realization.

3. As far as "Oh our government is good! Oh our banks are good!" Watch film 2 before you make these claims.

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Off Topic / Re: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 04:01:39 PM »
I forgot the website...


http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

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Off Topic / The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity
« on: January 10, 2011, 03:51:34 PM »
                        
   
Hello, I am Thar and I have come to this community wishing to share a newfound knowledge. Upon my internet browsing I have discovered a movement, a beacon of hope know as the “Zeitgeist Movement.” This movement is lead by film-maker Peter Joseph and social engineer Jacque Fresco who heads the development of the Venus project. We advocate social and economic change throughout the globe in a non-violent fashion.

   Economics- Our current economic system is backwards, inefficient, and destructive. It is a system that promotes scarcity and induces a form of economic slavery upon societies in the form of debt and interests. Who is behind this? Our enemies are the corporations and banks who enslave societies and exploit their resources in the name of profit.

   Social issues- Our government, military, media and other major institutions do not serve us any purpose rather than to keep us in the dark. The government serves no real purpose than to make laws, declare wars, and tax the populace. The military is an obsolete institution that does nothing but handicap human progress and further the agenda of the banks and corporations.

The Zeitgeist Movement- Those who have been exposed to this have created critical mass and joined the movement. Those who do join start chapters in there local communities to spread the word.

If you wish to support us follow these guidelines:

1. Avoid major media such as FOX, CNN, MSNBC and other major media outlets.

2. Get off the energy grid and stop supporting the energy companies who pollute poor countries and annihilate local economies.

3. Don’t ever join the military for reasons stated above.

4. Reject the political system for the illusion of democracy in a monetary system is an insult to our very intelligence.

5. Expose the Fed cartel. Stop supporting the banks. If you have an account, get rid of it, if you own stock, sell it etc.

6. Finally, join the movement. We don’t ask for donations or money unless we are in need of funds for a project. As of now we are in a stage of collecting members for our group.

   Films- To help further explain these points you may view the following movies by Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guXirzknYYE -Film 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912# -Film 2


These will be helpful, but before you can spread the word the revolution must begin within yourself.

The revolution is now.

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Drama / Re: Iban
« on: January 10, 2011, 02:07:13 AM »
How bad is Iban's life exactly and what has happened that could make him want to kill himself?

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