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Off Topic / Re: Net neutrality shenanigins are happening.
« on: December 14, 2017, 09:22:47 PM »
he mentioned that, while he respected and was happy with battleforthenet because they are doing their best to express their opinion as anyone with a strong opinion on something should, he isn't happy with how they aren't explaining both sides of the issue. he said they're pushing a heavy left narrative. he said he wants people to understand that its not just republicans who have voted to appeal but its democrats voting to appeal too. he thinks battleforthenet has created an aura of fear with their design:

black background, big red and white parapraphs talking about how the FCC is "gutting net rules for new fees, throttling, and censorship". and also asking people to spread images like:

as a graphic designer, i can understand how hard wording like this could lead someone to believe its intimidating.
That's a completely unreasonable position for him to take. I'm sorry but it's just true, and let me explain exactly why in detail:
1. battleforthenet only states pure facts on their website. The closest they ever come to stating an opinion is the following:
"They are Team Cable. They want to end net neutrality, to control & tax the Internet."

Even this, however, is true. It's an objective fact that they want to end net neutrality, and that to end net neutrality gives them the power to control and tax what you are able to see on the internet. In fact, for them to go and encourage the FCC to put back net neutrality (and have it work) would actually be against the law for them, as the board of directors and the CEO of these telecom companies have a legally binding fiduciary duty to do everything in their power to make more profit. If they were to go back on that, they'd be sued by shareholders for massive amounts of money (equal to the amount of money that could have been made had they not put Net Neutrality back in).

2. I 100% support looking at both sides of an argument. I say that because almost universally, there is a sense in which opposition to (almost) any particular idea can be reasonable. There can be downsides, and people, no matter how strange it is, could prioritize those downsides over the upsides. However we need to take this in context. This idea of "looking at both sides" is for an individual trying to form an opinion on a subject, as a sort of internal debate. In the context of just an individual reading around on the internet by themselves, I agree. But battleforthenet is an activism site, trying to prevent the permanent repeal of Net Neutrality, not a debate website. Sure, one could argue that including common counterarguments and then showing how they're false would be beneficial for a few people who're trying to make up their minds, but that wouldn't satiate your representative (as it's still presenting one side as fact), and it would merely serve to distract others who have already made up their minds from the fact that not having Net Neutrality truly is a net negative on any capitalist society from both a market perspective and a consumer perspective. They're not being disingenuous by not including common counterarguments.

3. There's no argument to be had over whether their intention is really to revoke net neutrality itself. Sure, one could reasonably(ish) argue that maybe, for some contrived reason they don't like the wording of the current Net Neutrality regulation. That's fine (even though I strongly disagree with it), but what's not fine is the fact that the FCC's intention is not to fix that for you. They're not trying to improve it, they're trying to repeal it and never have it come back again. Their intention really is to get rid of Net Neutrality itself.

4. The design of the website isn't "scary," nor is it intended to be. It's a predominantly white, light blue & royal blue theme with red emphasized text (chosen because of its strong, yet not ugly looking contrast with the royal blue background) in order to catch the users attention for key points. All of the emphasized text, including the "good" text that's filled with optimism for the future of the internet and the "bad" describing the urgent current situation, is red. Two of the four ISP company logos already have red in them anyway, there's no reason to believe that it's anything other than a small edit to make the logos fit in with the style of the website.

Given these facts, all the steps they've taken have been entirely reasonable, and I believe most would argue necessary in order to get the public motivated towards fighting this. For them to have satisfied your representative would have required basically turning it into a "change my mind" website, with false counterarguments that distract from the reality of the situation and needlessly changing the design of the website.

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Off Topic / Re: Net neutrality shenanigins are happening.
« on: December 14, 2017, 07:44:48 PM »
he literally did not talk about any of this. i was on the phone for maybe 5-10 minutes. it sounded like i was talking to a friend, not a politician. i mean dont get it twisted, the dude had a professional demeanor about him, but he didnt talk like this or bring up any of this. it sounded like he just genuinely wanted people to look at both sides. which people should, if they arent
Okay, I think I misunderstood the situation. I thought he was trying to convince you that opposing net neutrality was a reasonable position, not just to say that "both sides should be looked at" and being supportive of net neutrality at the same time. That seemed strange to me.

edit: a word

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Off Topic / Re: Net neutrality shenanigins are happening.
« on: December 14, 2017, 07:31:23 PM »
Is this serious? Because I'm really sorry to say you got played real good. It happens to the best of us. Tell me if these talking points sound similar:

- "These “Title II” regulations, rammed through the FCC by the Obama White House, were based on a hypothetical fear of broadband providers blocking certain websites or putting competitors in slow lanes."
- "The FCC is wisely repealing the reckless decision of its predecessors to regulate competing Internet Service Providers under 1930s common-carrier regulations that were designed for a telephone monopoly."
- "In practice, these regulations have proven to be anti-consumer. The FCC has forbidden the practice of wireless providers offering featured video streaming to their customers that doesn’t count against their monthly data usage caps. How is it helpful to prevent consumers from accessing more online content for less money?"
- "The federal government should not treat high-tech communications networks as if they were 1930s public utilities."
- "After Title II regulations passed, investment in Internet service fell for the first time ever by 5.6%."
- "Repeal of Title II regulations will correctly return Internet Service Providers to the privacy oversight of the Federal Trade Commission."

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Off Topic / Re: Net neutrality shenanigins are happening.
« on: December 14, 2017, 05:42:07 PM »
in 60 days? if we're lucky they might pass something beneficial before the reelection
i mean i personally think this is likely considering the large majority of republican senators supported the FCC in repealing it as far as i know, but i would 100% welcome being shown wrong on that one

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Off Topic / Re: Net neutrality shenanigins are happening.
« on: December 14, 2017, 05:36:15 PM »
congress doesn't have a say in this
they can pass a law saying the FCC can't repeal net neutrality

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: December 14, 2017, 05:06:09 PM »
i wonder how long their permaban list is

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Off Topic / Re: Net neutrality shenanigins are happening.
« on: December 14, 2017, 04:44:55 PM »
this sucks but some of yall gotta chill nn didn't even exist until 2015
False, Verizon sued the FCC to remove net neutrality rules in 2011, and the judgement was laid in 2014. Net Neutrality was then re-implemented to make sure the internet was kept open and free. Though I don't blame you for not knowing, I didn't either until today.

All but 3 of those violations you see above in pecon's post were done with them thinking that* Net Neutrality was a thing. Imagine what they'll do when they know it isn't a thing.

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ok is this like a bill or something? is it going through the house right now? i'm reading very different things from everywhere
the FCC is going to vote on whether or not to repeal tomorrow sometime. Currently the votes are 3-2 in favor of repealing. The 3 that are voting for repealing are either extraordinarily corrupt or extraordinarily stupid, as they have been constantly putting out page after page of mental gymnastics on how it would supposedly be a good thing. They refuse to even acknowledge that there are downsides.
They've even gone as far as cherrypicking irrelevant quotes from random court cases in order to make it seem like their argument has court precedent when in reality it doesn't:
6: is actually really loving hilarious. I have no loving clue how this got into an official FCC report because:
It's a completely irrelevant piece of text cherrypicked from a Utility Air Regaulatory Group v. EPA court ruling. It has nothing to do with the FCC, the internet, or anything else. (Ctrl+F "statutory power")

There is a bill making the rounds that would prevent the FCC from revoking Net Neutrality, but it hasn't passed yet. Also, the moment they make their decision there will likely be lawsuits and whatnot to try to reverse it. No idea how quickly, if at all their horrible decision will be reversed.

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he knows when you are binging
he knows when you read news
he knows when you have watched netflix so please dont for goodness sake

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might just be a previous version of the website, it's pretty innocuous


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so some tard just photoshoped a picture of it then
he just said it's real

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Off Topic / Re: Favorite Albums of 2017?
« on: December 13, 2017, 09:58:51 PM »
this is a real shady looking hosting site, it's being blocked by malwarebytes and it isn't even bothering to update their ssl certificates
i would recommend just using imgur instead

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Off Topic / Re: Investing types & Crypto Discussion $$$
« on: December 13, 2017, 09:42:02 PM »
Ethereum is up to $940 CAD. I got in at ~$570. Crazy week, starting to wish I had invested $100 instead of $50

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: December 12, 2017, 10:55:16 PM »
Proud of you, Alabama.

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