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Games / Re: Forza 6 Apex Beta: A Forza game has finally come to PC
« on: May 07, 2016, 10:41:34 PM »
You do realize turn 10 studios is very tiny company? they probably don't even have 1/3 of the staff that a AAA dev does.
Of course. I said they could dedicate a quarter of the time that they're currently spending on the DX12 rendering to DX11 rendering and make it look nearly as good, bringing in significantly more profit as a result. Not to spend more time or more manpower, just use the time they have more wisely.

you sound a lot like a windows XP/vista user around the time direct x 11 came out
Whatever qualms people had with windows 7 are much different than the concerns about windows 10. I've gone into detail about the legitimate reasons for not wanting to upgrade and I'm not going to get into them here.

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Games / Re: Forza 6 Apex Beta: A Forza game has finally come to PC
« on: May 07, 2016, 10:37:45 PM »
There's a limited amount of people on staff, and the people who work specifically on rendering the game's graphics (and by extension the very core framework of the engine) are usually limited and highly specialised. DX12 is new, there's no many people who know how to take advantage of it, and Turn10 is on Microsoft's money.
Again, yes it's easier to focus on DX12 alone. That doesn't make it okay to ignore DX11 entirely. Nothing you said is preventing them from spending a quarter of the time that they spend on the DX12 version to develop a DX11 version. You can still reuse most of the code and cut out incompatible or unnecessary features to save time. Of course it would be a challenge, but that's the norm for game programming.

Not really, though. Forza 6 would loving die on launch if it didn't have anything to compete with Project: CARS and Driveclub. Being the first real DirectX 12 game is a major selling point, but it means the team need to spend time digging into the documentation to find all of the really amazing stuff they can show off.
I'm not saying they should hobble their DX12 work. It's good work. But spending time to make it work and look decent on DX11 brings in more customers. It's extremely basic, the more customers you get the better. Having something that's nearly as good graphics-wise as the DX12 version is a hell of a lot better than having none at all.

Financial:
-> Pushes Windows 10
-> Pushes DirectX 12
-> Pushes Windows Store

User
-> The chance to experience a well developed DirectX 12 game and benchmark performance
-> Xbox Exclusives now coming to the Windows platform, and Xbox exclusives are generally coded using one specific type of renderer
-> Something different to the other racing games listed above
Financial:
-> Alienate half of your potential userbase, as a result halve your profits when you could have spent a quarter of the time that you spent on DX12 on DX11 and significantly increased profits
-> Create future distaste for your brand and products by misguidedly restricting the OS you can play on, lowering profits in the future as well

User:
-> Alienate people who don't want to upgrade their OS for legitimate reasons
-> No longer able to enjoy the game they want to play because of greedy decisions
-> Forced to use products and technology that they don't want or need

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Games / Re: Forza 6 Apex Beta: A Forza game has finally come to PC
« on: May 07, 2016, 10:06:54 PM »
i don't understand why you guys hate windows 10 so much
-Major privacy issues
-Forced auto-upgrading and forced restarts
-Arbitrarily disabled options unless you buy enterprise version, alienating more experienced users
-Etc

It's not just because it's "trendy."

-snip-
You're right, it's easier to stick with just one. But by using only one they're alienating around half of their userbase. It's not by any means unreasonable to use both. You could just as easily not implement all of the same super-duper high end graphics upgrades to the DX11 version if it's really that difficult, but don't make it completely unavailable. It makes no sense from both a financial standpoint and a user experience standpoint. You're essentially saying "If you don't want to use windows 10, forget off." People don't appreciate that.

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Off Topic / Re: what deity do you choose?
« on: May 07, 2016, 09:14:51 PM »
tentacles ftw
can they do... other things? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Off Topic / Re: blf, are you gay?
« on: May 07, 2016, 08:40:26 PM »
that's pretty dumb because straight men aren't attracted to every woman and gay men aren't attracted to every man
well yeah but all it means is the fact that they are transgender/transloveual does not affect your opinion
Looks, personality, everything else is still up in the air though like it is for any other orientation.

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alternative rock is definitely my favourite
a few notable names that i listen to regularly being Muse, Radiohead, and Arcade Fire

edit: pretty sure i had a stroke there

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Off Topic / Re: is coldplay considered 'real music'?
« on: May 07, 2016, 07:56:42 PM »
idk i liked Paradise

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Off Topic / Re: blf, are you gay?
« on: May 07, 2016, 07:55:43 PM »
am i the only one who doesn't understand panloveuality? isn't it essentially just biloveuality for special snowflakes?
it includes transgender/transloveuals which biloveual does not necessarily include

that's about it

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will the 1080 allow me to run my games in 1080
idk why they chose to do it like this, because dumb people can and will confuse this for "oh it's meant for 1080p gaming!!" when in reality it can probably handle 4k gaming pretty darn well even at very high settings

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Off Topic / Re: BLF Alignment Chart ~ NEW GRAPH??? PAGE (13)
« on: May 07, 2016, 04:14:54 PM »
Why the forget am i chaotic good? I should be chaotic neutral since i don't really, do anything to help or make this forum horrible.
>saying that someone else deserves to be in your good slot
thats just what a good person would say

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Games / Re: Forza 6 Apex Beta: A Forza game has finally come to PC
« on: May 07, 2016, 02:58:00 PM »
Honestly forget them for requiring windows 10. That's some serious bullstuff.

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well i dont currently play it but in high school band i played the trombone
i was alright

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Off Topic / Re: blf, are you gay?
« on: May 07, 2016, 02:13:50 PM »
another win for the gay agenda

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i'm hoping the price of a 960 will go down so i can get that without breaking the bank

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Off Topic / Re: question day; wheel of fortune or jeopardy
« on: May 07, 2016, 12:17:30 PM »
i like jeopardy a bit more because you actually learn stuff
what a forgetin nerd amirite

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