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Off Topic / Re: White Antifa transmission Punches Black Man & Loses Fight

« on: June 12, 2017, 04:37:55 PM »

You shouldn't hit *anyone*, unless in self-defense. That retaliation wasn't self-defense.

lmao what

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: June 12, 2017, 04:36:47 PM »

the assertion that it's a problem simply because it's illegal isn't incredibly compelling when contending the idea that it shouldn't be as illegal (or, that the conditions to not break the law are too harsh)

out of curiosity, what are the broad reasons for not wanting immigration to be easy? vetting i can understand, but it is incredibly convoluted, long-winded, or in many cases, impossible to become a US citizen, and it has nothing to do with vetting procedures, the process is just very long and the criteria are very strict. (x) and i have a hard time finding a way to justify it being that difficult

Don't misunderstand, I am all for streamlining the legal process, but I am not in favor of simply granting people legal citizenship because they're being mistreated by employers. It shouldn't be as needlessly difficult as it is, but I'm not with the whole "we're all citizens of earth mayn" bs that a lot of people push. What I am saying is the tedium of the process is no excuse to forgo it.

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: June 12, 2017, 11:09:22 AM »

We agree that there should be extensive vetting procedures for the purposes of counter-terrorism. Problem is: that's not the part of immigration that makes emigrating to the US near-impossible. It's mostly all the other bureaucracy, waiting lists, and quotas that make legally entering the US take so long.

That's fair, bureaucracy is an issue, but tedious does not mean impossible. We should streamline the process but people on the other side act like we should let people in on the basis of them being a human being.

See but undocumented immigrants don't actually slow down the legal immigration process, so the 'cut-in-line' brown townogy doesn't really work.

It works because they're getting into the country before someone who applied legally. The problem isn't that they're slowing down the legal immigration process, it's the fact that people are bending over backwards to accommodate illegals over regular immigants, who's toes are often stepped on in order to get in here
 
If they've committed a crime like identity theft, obviously you deport them. But that's not the case for most undocumented immigrants, who actually tend to have crime levels far below that of natural citizens (since getting arrested usually means deportation). Go to South Phoenix and you'll notice that no one exceeds the speed limit by a single tick.

Their very existence in this country is a crime so that's a moot point
 
That's actually the problem. When people talk about 'paths for citizenship', they mean a way for people already working in the country to legally apply for citizenship without entering an immigration office and immediately being detained and deported. It makes perfect sense why someone living in the country for decades would not apply for citizenship under the current paradigm.

Welp, guess they should've entered legally to begin with then
There are actually plenty of white people doing jobs typically held by undocumented immigrants, but the whole argument about them 'stealing jobs' is sort of moot because economies adapt to new human capital by expanding and creating more jobs. It's true that they get paid under the table wages far less than legal citizens, but you can just fix that by making them legal and forcing their employees to pay them minimum wage.

Like I said, you don't reward them for entering illegally by giving them citizenship, you punish the employers who hire illegals to begin with, and you remove illegals from the equation so they aren't here getting paid under the table anyway. The solution you offer is so ass backwards its nonsense. And while you obviously cannot deport every illegal, and you definitely shouldn't because yeah, plenty of them do nothing wrong, just not doing anything and instead giving them citizenship is stupid.

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Off Topic / Re: White Antifa transmission Punches Black Man & Loses Fight

« on: June 12, 2017, 08:41:51 AM »

Just watched it and uh
1. The forget did these idiots w/ the flag and jacket think they were gonna do? There was enough video evidence to begin with? loving idiots
2. How is that a transmission jesus christ put some effort into your look lady
3. I'm surprised (s)he didn't get cold roostered right off the bat. Why do these weaklings think they can just hit people who have physical superiority over them? idgi

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: June 12, 2017, 08:18:07 AM »

Illegals have paths to citizenship? I don't understand that argument at all. There are opportunities for illegals to become citizens. It's a long process because unlike Europe, we like to vet people coming into our country and not just allow anyone to become a citizen. And that's how it is. We shouldn't expedite the process for some illegals. What about legal immigrants who wait years to become citizens? We just gonna let them get cut in line for some carrot that came in here illegally in the first place?
You should never defend people entering any country illegally. A country with immigration laws is trying to protect its citizens and its sovereignty. By entering a country illegally you are showing contempt for the laws of that country and it shouldn't harbor you because of some sob story that has nothing to do with it in the first place.
Illegal immigrants are untrained, undocumented workforce. They can be charged a slave's wage to do work an American citizen could and should be doing for a reasonable wage. And every time someone says what I just said, some idiot jumps out and goes "BUT AMERICANS DONT WANNA PICK TOMATOES FOR SEVERAL DOLLARS A DAY" well no stuff. Who in their right mind would pick tomatoes for several dollars a day, except for an illegal who has nothing else to do? No other opportunities? NO education? These employers exploit them because they can. They cannot pay a citizen that kind of wage. The answer is not to make them citizens after they come in here, because that's rewarding illegal activity. It'd be like letting a prisoner go free after they escape. "Welp, you're out of the gates now, guess you can rejoin society". Like it or not, illegal immigrants do indeed take jobs away, even the small, stuff ones, from legal American citizens. Hell, franchised McDonald's chains probably have plenty of illegals hired in it, you wouldn't say that's taking jobs away from someone who could really use that McDonald's job? Someone legal?

ALSO, people think entering the country illegally just means you slipped past border security. No, plenty of times, they will steal a SSN and can even get an immigration ID from a legal immigrant. Prime example of this is that mother of two that got slated for deportation a few months back. Everyone was all BOOHOO SHE'S A MOM WHY Annoying Orange'S AMERICA acting like she didn't do stuff but cross the border illegally. No, she stole a child's SSN and could've forgeted up that kid's credit before they ever even knew about it. She stole the ID of a legal immigrant and probably caused him all kinds of issues because of it. She was in the country for decades. She was here during Bush, during Obama, and didn't naturalize once? She was still unable to speak English for forget's sake what is she doing here? How can you expect to "make a better life for my children" if the only job you can work involves 12 hour shifts and $1 an hour pay? Bullstuff.

So, for the sake of the illegals, and for the sake of our country, we should deport them, encourage them to come through legally, or maybe even fix their forgeted up country instead of trying to piss off to America, then complaining about how we operate.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Puerto Rico votes in favor of becoming 51st state

« on: June 11, 2017, 10:15:51 PM »

I dont see any reason not to tbh
Let em be democrats if they want, it'd give the current administration and the stuffty republicans in office some leeway in 2018 anyway

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: June 11, 2017, 07:36:57 PM »

yo what the forget is this

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: June 11, 2017, 06:43:00 PM »

Feed him

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: June 11, 2017, 05:25:15 PM »

he also believes that anyone he pisses off is at fault because they made the 'choice' to be pissed off

Weeeell I mean you can't call him an internet autist and then get upset at him for being an internet autist so

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: June 11, 2017, 04:19:17 PM »

idk mat lost me in the middle but the stuff point was sandwiched in between some decent ones

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Off Topic / Re: White Antifa transmission Punches Black Man & Loses Fight

« on: June 11, 2017, 03:42:51 PM »

in the past evidence never really mattered to them

more IronyOS strikes again

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: June 11, 2017, 03:27:21 PM »

It's pretty sad. at least he's not spending his life trying to tear down a celebrity's flag

Let's not compare the world's greatest game of CTF to a bunch of screeching libtards on twitter? I mean come on. 4chan has provided memes for the next decade, whereas this... I forget his name already tbh

reminder that that bullstuff came from an autistic teen who simultaneously thinks that anything popular is untrustworthy yet being popular and remembered is better than anything

master matthew has a bad case of the "everything is correct as long as it panders to my handicapped opinion" itis

Irony :(

Let's think of this in the long term.
A CTF game held by a celebrity who peaked in the early 2010's and will probably completely fade from relevance in the next 2 decades.
Or the names listed directly under public statements from what will probably be one of the most historic presidencies of the 21st century (good or bad).

The former will probably be remembered more for the next 20-40 years, and then the latter will be remembered more within 40-80 years, I'd say.

Rethink your statement
The names UNDER the presidential tweet would be remembered? The only thing that would be kept as a presidential record is the tweet itself, not the replies, that'd be stupid. lol come on people really now?

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Off Topic / Re: who else here #WOKE AF

« on: June 11, 2017, 06:41:30 AM »

Who honestly believes this kind of stuff though?

How incurably stupid does someone have to be to think, "HMM every single contemporary account of Charlemagne' s appearance says he's white but I saw a meme on Twitter that said he was black so CHECKMATE WHITE PEOPLE"

Facebook and Twitter does a good job at making a case for removing the internet from the inner city

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: June 11, 2017, 06:39:15 AM »

Imagine having nothing else going in your life other than "trolling" the president of the United States on twitter at 4 am in the morning

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Off Topic / Re: who else here #WOKE AF

« on: June 10, 2017, 10:03:22 PM »

Maybe we weren't ready for emancipation after all