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4006
Did you read the part in the article where our government imprisoned the Imam and seeks to deport the new one? What additional measures do you suggest, like specifically?

Actually, the article was misleading. He wasn't convicted in 2008, and members of the community attended his trial to vouch for his moderacy. I tried to be fair by not discrediting the article based on the source, but that seems to be the case here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Qatanani

Fair enough, if that wikipedia article is correct than the article I linked was misleading enough to be dismissed.
I'll have to find a better example

Just making sure you know because it reads very poorly.

Then don't read it

no you're not welcome

F-

there goes my GPA

4007
It's no joke man, look at them all

Sir, I am terribly sorry, I'll be sure to decrease the amount of run on sentences in my dissertations next time, thank you for taking the time to point this out to me, it would be a real shame if I did something like that on an important paper such as this, thank you again!

Did you read the part in the article where our government imprisoned the Imam and seeks to deport the new one? What additional measures do you suggest, like specifically?

Yes, I read the part, because I stated that in the very link I gave you what the hell
Remove Imam, monitor mosque for several years to ensure no further actions need to be taken. Those he radicalized may feel the need to retaliate after the removal of their Islamist leader. Possibly monitor anyone in that mosque that might pose a danger to the public. Obviously you cannot take direct action against the people themselves but it should be obvious that you would have to be wary of those coming in and out of that mosque at the time the Imam was in power.

I think its  mainly that while radicals can be placed on watch lists and monitored closely, we can't really take any actual action against them without proof that they're planning or have done something major

That's not what his post implied.

4008
And how many terrorist attacks has that mosque produced, to date?

So we should just ignore them until the bombs start going off?

4009
Do me a favor and point out one radical mosque you're familiar with, within the US. Just link me to their Facebook page or something.

Here's an Imam that was linked to Hamas facing deportartion for not disclosing that link. He spread his radical views in the mosque he was a leader of. There's your example.
What kind of mosque has a FB page?

The real tragedy here is Deus Ex's horrendous overuse of commas.

Hilarious!

4010
He's hesitant to respond because you're being an starfish. I actually agree with you on some points, but you're genuinely being a bad person, you need to look at yourself right now and see that you're being a bit extreme in your demeanor.

bro you're getting too heated over this take a step back

fine

how you feel personally =\= how things really are. im sure one day you'll take a step out of that bubble you hide in and find this out

how will my liver filter out all this irony

4011
You aren't calling for the end of Islamic terrorism, you're calling to kick out all muslims from the US. These are completely different things. Nobody supports terrorism and everyone supports getting rid of it.

Alright, you know what, if that's how you're interpreting what I'm saying, then I guess I need to dial it back, because I don't want to kick ALL muslims out of the US, and I literally just said that a page or two ago. You can't deport legal citizens anyway. Removing radical mosques (or at least, those in charge of them) should not be some kind of extremist thing to call for as far as I'm concerned, but whatever. We shouldn't take in refugees en masse because it creates problems, a la Europe. We shouldn't sit on our hands and ignore the fact that Islam is a toxic ideology that fuels these terrorist acts. But we do anyway, because people are convinced doing otherwise would be tribal. I never said anything about Pakistanis, Libyans, Indonesians, Iraqis, or any kind of race that comes from a muslim-majority country. I've been talking about the religion and the people that follow it. Calling me tribal for that is like saying criticizing Christians = criticizing white people. It's ridiculous.



4012
I don't think /you/ get it. This weird anti-muslim diatribe you're going on is literally no different than the stormfront folks that throw out black crime statistics as a reason why we should racially segregate. Step back and realize how you sound right now.

I am not calling for any kind of segregation, I'm calling for the end of Islamic terrorism. How you guys manage to find that to mean I'm a tribal is beyond me.

I think once your argument becomes 30% flaming you lose all credibility. Im hesitant to respond to the other stuff because im probably just gunna get another 'forget you'

You're hesitant to respond because you are wrong

4013
God bless this nation

4014
There are other conservative users in this thread who are talking about immigration without coming off like a batstuff crazy tribal loon.

I'm not even conservative, stop placing political labels on me pls ty
And just because you don't get it, I'm a batstuff crazy tribal loon? Go forget yourself


Could you please be a bit less inflamed? You're making anyone who shares any of your beliefs look very, very, bad.

No, shut up

4015
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the missing girls were in Islamic love dungeons or whatever the forget because they've already been proven to exist en masse

Well they do enjoy livestreaming their 10-man gangrape parties on facebook so maybe if the police are looking for them they should check facebook live?

4016
Homegrown terrorism isn't as much of a problem for us as you think it is and there is almost no way to prevent it in our current state of address. Any of your proposed ideas would actually amplify the prevalence of domestic extremism. Our best hope is to continue ignoring it until it becomes something worth tackling, because otherwise we're just going to waste more money and risk more manpower over an imaginary war on terrorism.

We know where the problem is now and we're fully equipped to at least try to handle it. Let's stop pretending it's a domestic issue.

Fair enough


literally no muslim I have ever met has blown me up

Holy stuff that must mean NO MUSLIMS at ALL will EVER try to blow you up! Well, forget me, I've been proven wrong. Sorry guys!


Unless you're going to specify specific policies you're going to make people think you're going on another tribal tangent
1). Immigration is a difficult issue but I think it should start by importing people that would actually benefit us instead of sitting on welfare for a while
2.) This is getting into iffy territory because that could mean anything from forcing people to report radical stuff to full on monitoring of mosques

You can't even get into immigration talks without being called a tribal. It's ridiculous.
I don't think I said anything overtly tribal besides using the term goatforgeter to describe a literal forgeter of goats, unless Islam is a race, then my bad ):
And I know, it is iffy territory, but if we don't have the discussion, how are we supposed to make it less national socialistesque and more reasonable? Believe me, I know it's loving insane to ask that we start removing mosques that radicalize people from the board, but we have to do something? We can't just sit on our hands because if we act we'll be called tribal for it by a bunch of apologist babies. We have two options, harsh domestic policy, or doing whatever is necessary overseas to end CIA and any other Islamic extremist groups that crop up in the middle east and embolden these homegrown terrorists to act.


The whole basis of your argument resides around these points

  • people believe in something different
  • The perpetrators of attacks (that happen usually twice every year and kill around 20 people) are these people
  • Punishing a billion people for the actions of around 5,000 worldwide is fine

i could take this autistic list and apply it to any race in the world and justify anything against them which is why its hypocritical and handicapped. If you really wanted to do something about these actions happening you'd be also condemning white people, black people, hispanics, asians, literally every human population in the world.

the only reason why you choose muslims is because of two things: they aren't you, and they're the easiest target. you're literally pulling a Riddler/enver pasha right now and you seem perfectly fine about it

Why're you suck a loving mental midget? Burn that strawman if you want, that's not my argument at all, so forget you.
1. I don't dislike Muslims because they believe "something different". I dislike their ideology and religion, and the supremacist, homophobic and blatantly misogynist culture surrounding it. I must dislike Buddhists too since they believe in something I don't. loving idiot. Shut up.
2. Twice every year, 20 people? Paris, Sweden, London, Germany, let's not even talk about the rapes, the murders, the loveual assaults, those don't matter, those people aren't dead, just emotionally scarred, right?
3. 5,000? Again, go forget yourself. If CIA only had 5,000 soldiers working with them we'd be sweeping Islamist ashes off the dunes by now.

You're loving autistic if you think you can apply your strawman list to other religions (Muslims are not a race, forget off)

4017
What you're offering is just going to make the situation that much worse for us. Domestic terrorism isn't going to be curbed by picking people out and throwing them to the wolves, because you're just setting a precedent that is going to resonate badly within every Muslim American whether you like it or not.

We don't need hard policies domestically, we need to get out there and help foreign nations prevent CIA from taking over more ground. That's where it starts.

Choke slamming CIA into oblivion while not addressing the radicalization of homegrown terrorists will just embolden the ones in our country and make them feel like they have to contribute to war effort against muh infidels
And I highly doubt CIA will be the last major Islamic terrorist organization to crop up, no matter what we do. This stuff will keep happening until Islam has another reformation period. And if a Muslim American is doing no wrong and they feel like us rooting out radicals in their community is wrong, then they're obviously in support of those radicals, and while I wouldn't advocate for any sort of harm to come to those who are doing no wrong, I don't think I care for people who sympathize with terrorists

4018
just a tip: there are a million problems you can solve if you ignore the 10 million other problems created as a result
removing religious buildings forcefully is a war crime btw

How do you commit a war crime when you aren't at war with a country? Is CIA a large terrorist organization or have they somehow managed to get themselves into the UN?

4019
Do you realize you're arguing the same point as the opposition here?

This is what I've been saying from the start what are you talking about

4020
While I agree there a many serious issues with Islam extreme deportation isn't the answer

Obviously not, how would you even deport that many people
You cut off the importation of radicals, you root out the mosques radicalizing people, you loving ruin CIA and stop loving around in the middle east and giving these people more fuel to radicalize, and you leave westernized, civilized muslims alone. Islamists need to be removed from our society. There is a clear difference between people who simply practice Islam and people who loving blow themselves up for it and we need to stop conflating the two


The more we alienate islamic people, the more foothold CIA has to lull them into extremism. It's not about a la-la-land of treating everyone fairly because it's the right thing to do, it's putting a stop to the conditions for extremism that we keep indirectly perpetuating.

If we don't do something about it now someone worse than Annoying Orange is going to come along and do something far more drastic than a "Muslim ban"

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