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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - stay tuned for more arguing

« on: July 24, 2014, 01:32:34 AM »

I want to say something along the lines of "not all men," but I think we know why I won't.

Because you don't like admitting other parties might have good points?

what

where did you get half of that from

haven't i been asserting the complete opposite

If they're different, then you can be for one and not the other, and it makes complete sense.

i never said that directly

it's good to be objective, but you also need subjectivity in certain cases. They're equal.

Nah, they're not.

Stopping yourself from committing Self Delete isn't the same thing as doing it wrong?

Sure they're not the same. But in these girls cases, it's a failure.

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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - stay tuned for more arguing

« on: July 24, 2014, 01:19:04 AM »

tl;dr child of darkness doesn't understand that feminine and female are two different thinks and things that subjectivity is better than objectivity and that people who think taking a double dose of Tylenol will kill them are the bravest of them all

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Off Topic / Re: Mental Disability Megathread - Blacklist

« on: July 24, 2014, 12:42:06 AM »

Wow, this argument shure got insulting and personal.

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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - stay tuned for more arguing

« on: July 24, 2014, 12:36:56 AM »

From wikipedia

"Resort to" does not mean "successfully complete" lol
Women attempt it about 4 times as often. But fail almost every time.

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Drama / Re: Mental Stability megathread

« on: July 24, 2014, 12:35:10 AM »

I'd say I'm sane but a couple people have been telling me to get checked for Nationalism.

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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - stay tuned for more arguing

« on: July 24, 2014, 12:30:13 AM »

This makes no sense and I don't know why you always insist it's true. No one is going to change the way they understand their self-identity just because some utilitarian thinks they should.

Masculine traits are better than feminine traits.
I'm for women but not femininity. Feminism is bad on these grounds.

so men are weaker for killing themselves? Doesn't that contradict what you're saying?

Not only do women resort to Self Delete far more often, they're too weak to even go though with it.
What kind of a failure do you have to be to not even be able to kill yourself? Seriously.

You could say something similar to a Christian who isn't fundamentalist. The Bible is supposed to be a strict rule for how Christianity works, after all. Does this mean that if you believe in Christianity but aren't fundamentalist, you have to "show your Christianity Card" because you don't adhere to a strict set of beliefs for something that's subjective in the first place?

You can't call yourself a Catholic and disagree with the Pope, really. I mean people do but it used to be grounds for excommunication. Religion is a joke these days anyway in the modern world. Just like feminism.

Yes, all three are subjective. People will believe whatever they want and give it a label that's similar to their beliefs or create a new one. Feminists who believe that all men should die are still feminists, even if they contradict the core beliefs of feminism. A libertarian who is communist is still a libertarian, even if they contradict the core beliefs of the political party. A Christian who isn't fundamentalist is still Christian, even if they don't follow the New Testament entirely. People will interpret labels in a way that makes sense to them, and that's not a bad thing. What's a bad thing, however, is what these interpretations will do in the long run (which is the case for radical feminism, for example). Denying this is a No True Scotsman logic fallacy. After all, no true libertarian would believe in communism.

My defense to this is that well organized groups have strict criteria for membership and therefore the fallacy simply does not apply. You're not drawing an arbitrary line in the sand of who is and is not a member, you have a source to which you can compare individuals.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] israel invades gaza strip, begins ground offensive

« on: July 24, 2014, 12:22:07 AM »

i really wish there was someway for some powerful country to tell both israel and palestine to work together or they both get punched hard

America: Israel! Palestine! Work together you two, or I swear to god I'm going to punch Palestine so hard!

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] israel invades gaza strip, begins ground offensive

« on: July 24, 2014, 12:16:20 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9AHzUKYk8

turns out they are storing weapons in hospitals. who knew?

UltraMilanista1899vor 10 Stunden
 
How in the forget can this be seen as proof ??? Even i can make such a video like ffs. We need to bring investigators ffs to tell us if this is another bullstuff video or not.

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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - women against feminism - media outlets outraged

« on: July 24, 2014, 12:11:39 AM »

Destroying the patriarchy means destroying the concept that masculinity is better than femininity, which I believe to be the cause or related to each individual issue.

"Masculinity" (assuming we can even agree on the definition) is the mark of successful people, both men and women. When you have two sets of values like these, you should tell people who have the less successful one to step up, not beg the people who are successful to accept weakness. I'd dare say we should be applying some of these traditionally masculine values to women rather than apply traditionally feminine values to men.

Part of the statistics, at least I am told, (i still think it's an issue, don't get me wrong) are part of the differences in male and female psychology.

e.g. being weaker

I'm still trying to process how the two are different. Both are contradicting their definitions, but they still have the right to use the label. Feminism, as you said, isn't a political party. It doesn't have strict rules in its beliefs. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

No, you can't really call your self a libertarian.
Anyone could ask for proof that you're really in the party and you wouldn't be able to give it to them.

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Off Topic / Re: Organization account access granted

« on: July 24, 2014, 12:03:24 AM »

This is pi cool for what it is.
You should try developing it larger and posting it somewhere new. It'd be an ARG.

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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - women against feminism - media outlets outraged

« on: July 23, 2014, 11:56:21 PM »

every social movement will disagree on things, especially when it's on a massive scale.

Here's a little comparison:

Feminism:
n. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the lovees.
n. The movement organized around this belief.

"Radical Feminist": I'm a feminist who believes that men should be cut down to 10% of the population.
Others: That's not a feminist guys, trust us, look at the definition.

Libratarianism:
n. A political philosophy maintaining that all persons are the absolute owners of their own lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their persons or property, provided they allow others the same liberty

"Communist Libratarian": I'm a Libratarian but I dislike capitalism. We should have a Libratarian socicity with strict controls of business.
Others: Are you actually a member of the Libratarian party? Can you show us your Libratarian party voters card?





Here we see one label people randomly apply to themselves, and one political party with a strict set of values and goals and the ability to enforce these upon people calling themselves members of the party.

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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - women against feminism - media outlets outraged

« on: July 23, 2014, 11:47:06 PM »

you do realize that i actually agree with you right

as in they ARE feminists

but they're hypocrites

hypocritical feminists

people who are wrong but use the same label as me

edit: the problem with feminism is that it's not a centralized controlled group, it's a label people can apply to themselves, this means two feminists can disagree on everything and still both be called feminists. This is not the way to do a political movement and be taken seriously.

Feminism isn't a political party or an organization, it's a label anyone's free to use.
This is a bad thing.

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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - women against feminism - media outlets outraged

« on: July 23, 2014, 11:44:18 PM »

DrenDran will whine and say that's a No True Scotsman logic fallacy or some stuff, but who gives a stuff.

It's wrong. I know it's wrong. But I'm doing it anyway.

Not strength in the sense of physical strength, but strength as in power. Power as in having a voice and mattering as much as masculinity.

I never said strength was only physical, what a strawman lol.
But strength is an intrinsic internal property of a person, whether emotional, physical, or mental, it is not determined by external factors. There is a difference between strength and political power. I don't understand the idea of giving political power to the concept of femininity. Why do people need to be given power based on wearing dresses lipstick and high heels?

Also, MRAs have done nothing of significance since their inception in the 70s (correct me if i'm wrong here). They're too focused on attacking feminists than actually doing anything, but I'm sure there are exceptions.

Someone correct him for me plz.

I believe men are affected by a patriarchy (and would do anything in my power to help! I'd love to build a shelter for men in abusive relationships or ban circumcision! And I'm a feminist!), but MRAs believe there's a matriarchy, anyway. That's why they'll always be wrong in their ideals, but not their goals.

The whole patriarchy thing is a conspiracy theory on the level of 'global warming is invented by Obama' and 'jews did 9/11'. Yes, men typically have more power, yeah it probably wouldn't be like that in a perfect society, but the Patriarchy theory tends to make it seem like a conscious common effort on the part of men to oppress women.



edit: the problem with feminism is that it's not a centralized controlled group, it's a label people can apply to themselves, this means two feminists can disagree on everything and still both be called feminists. This is not the way to do a political movement and be taken seriously.

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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - women against feminism - media outlets outraged

« on: July 23, 2014, 11:11:26 PM »

This argument literally makes no sense. Who cares who created it? It can be revised and made better. Practically everything in our society was created by men. Are you trying to imply that we should (assuming feminism is the right, which you don't believe) restart society? I don't get your point.

1. Feminists often respond to claims that feminism ignores men and soley focuses on women by saying they're fighting for the acknowledgement of "femininity" rather than strictly "womenhood".

2. Feminine is a socially constructed gender role, womanhood is biological love.

3. With this logic feminism is basically fighting to say that lipstick, high heels, and other markers of femininity can be associated with strength too. (as you said last page) But I'd say no, for example high heels can't be associated with strength because they're extremely impractical, painful, and weaken the wearer rather than making them stronger, they're objectively worse.

4. You can fight for women without fighting for femininity.

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Off Topic / Re: Tumblr Megathread - women against feminism - media outlets outraged

« on: July 23, 2014, 10:57:17 PM »

If you see the empowerment of feminity as a threat then I'm worried. A fist symbolizes strength. Strength can hurt, sure, but I don't see it in that way. Make of it what you will. Maybe I have some androphobia inside of me and I just want to murder everyone with a snake.

Feminity is a socially constructed set of values.
What is the point of putting power into a set of values that were made by men? How does this benefit women?