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Modification Help / Re: ObjectView

« on: April 23, 2014, 01:45:44 PM »

Everybody's calling this amazing even though I released something that did the same and more 3+ years ago

Link?

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 11:36:00 PM »

because they have been vieweed as better for a really long time.

Try more disposable.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 11:11:26 PM »

They actually kinda do, because you can't really be a feminist without believing in gender equality.

People can call themselves whatever they want.
I could say "I support the holocaust, so I'm a democrat."
Or are you trying to establish one definition of a group (e.g. allowing no distinction between radicals and moderates)

Except the gender being focused on is the one that's traditionally been inferior in terms of laws and social standing.

Just like affirmative action, addressing only one groups problems (even if they actually do have more problems) seems to create implications that one group is worse or needs more help/protection than the other.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 10:41:21 PM »

ok you know what im just gonna pause for a second because none of this should have happened in the first place. this thread was horribly de-railed and this needs to be taken somewhere else. like pms.

You could make a topic for it.
Unfortunately it seems people here just hate the idea of others making a topic for controversial political/religious discussion. It's probably even more taboo than bronies or furries, at least they have megathreads now.

yeah, but the problem is almost no feminists care about gender equality, rather just female empowerment. i mean some i have seen literally have a problem with egalitarians and humanists because they focus of men's issues too.

To be fair every group has its issues, and MRAs aren't somehow exempt from the "why not just be egalitarian" argument. I don't support one over the other. Each group makes batstuff crazy points as well as intelligent ones. The issue here is that feminism is far more prominent than MRA so it naturally receives more of the criticism.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 10:34:49 PM »

Anyone think that the name itself is an issue?
I mean I don't think I'm wrong in saying if feminism just changed its name to something gender-neutral it would become a lot more credible to me.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 10:22:49 PM »

The point you're missing is that it is not "far from a small percentage". It really is not.
And I'm not denying small percents of people cannot cause a huge impact. You are constantly representing an outlier to be representative of a whole group.
It's like if I took a tribal, homophobic group of a religion out of millions of people and made every member of that same religion out to be a horrible person.

The problem is that you can take all the negative examples you want, but they get in the news because they are negative, extreme, and vocal.

I'm repeating myself a lot, but you really only hinge on this one point, so...

It's not like the extremists of a group don't have their roots in the rest of the group.
Militant feminists simply take the flaws of feminism and exaggerate them, putting them before the more legitimate points.
The issue here is that the flaws were still existent in the base group, but just weren't exhibited so noticeably.

Islam for example, does indeed have it's passages in the Qu'ran which promote violence to outsiders. But more moderate adherents to the religion simply 'interpret' them less harshly and do not put priority on them.

I'd dare go so far to say, yes, Islam is flawed as a whole. (Along with most other religions.) The majority might not believe in the worse parts, but that does not mean they are no longer a part of it. The only true solution is to completely scrap the beliefs system / group and start all over again.

Examples:
Feminism + MRAs -> Egalitarianism
Islam + Christianity + Judaism -> Atheism
Traditional Racism + Affirmative Action -> Equality in hiring with actions to equalize infrastructure and opportunities for the poor
etc.

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Drama / Re: The true face of Furdle

« on: April 22, 2014, 09:57:16 PM »

Evidence sure posted a lot of evidence lol

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 09:53:21 PM »

although i guess that would be pretty true, you are comparing the worlds biggest religions to feminist groups.

Some of their beliefs, especially the more radical ones, are akin to a religion.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 09:50:13 PM »

There's a lot I'd like to respond to but I'm on my phone, so I'll post this:

Why's diversity so important? Are people really just trading cards to collect and show off?

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 09:23:21 PM »

i think when he says a criminal record he means a repeat offender

just the connotation of the word "record" makes it seem as if it's happened more than once

Of course, I agree with you in this aspect but only this aspect.

I'm taking criminology/criminal justice as a major. I know for a fact that there was a study in Flordia where people who were charged with felonies, but had adjudication withheld (were not classified as felons, despite getting the same exact sentence) had on average rates of recidivism 17% lower. Additionally, the love offender registry has actually caused more loveual offenses than it has prevented.

Here we see that ultimax and his lust for the cycle of poverty have actually missed the core idea behind preventing the cycle of poverty. Discriminating based on previous offenses is not too much different than discriminating based on race in areas (e.g. zones of transition) where the statistics previously posted are actually relevant.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 09:14:46 PM »

If they don't have a criminal record there's no reason to believe they are a bad person.

Isn't that generalizing that all criminals are repeat offenders?
And such a generalization plays a large part in continuing the cycle of poverty.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 09:07:19 PM »

If you are bringing up statistics to make some kind of point against affirmative action then you're arguing that black people don't deserve to be positively discriminated because of something that results from a social construction.

To be fair there are situations where you can't get to know a person too well, so its more appropriate to rely on generalizations and stereotypes. For example, insurance companies will charge you more for auto insurance if your car is red, or you're a male. To say that being an african american wouldn't fit perfectly well into this is silly.

Those statistics don't mean that a middle class black person is 14 times more likely to murder someone. It means a randomly selected black person is 14 times more likely to murder someone. Did you even read the links I posted?

I understand that its mostly the blacks in the inner city zones of transition that make up these statistics, and once you look at african americans that have moved away, the perceived threat is higher than the actual threat.

You sound like Rudyard Kipling ffs. Are you seriously arguing against affirmative action on the basis that black people are inferior? Your sociology professor must love you.

No idea who that is, will have to look him up.


There's a difference between social level blame and individual blame.
If a black person mugs me in the streets in the inner city, it's his fault.
Sure, he might be there because of society but that doesn't excuse his actions in the slightest.
The social level of things only comes into consideration when one is acting on the social level (e.g. making and enforcing laws), individually if a business owner doesn't want to hire someone based on race, why the forget should I care.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 08:58:45 PM »

those statistics don't validate treating them differently, which is exactly what that girl wants

Perhaps.
But it certainly doesn't validate affirmative action either.

I'm just wondering if you do browse Stormfront. I really have nothing against them.

No, I don't.
I occasionally visit /pol/ but I didn't even get these pictures from there.

I'm not tribal, and as I said I'm taking sociology and recognize the reasons why blacks are in the way there are as well as the socially constructed nature of things, but I still think it's healthy to acknowledge statistics.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 08:53:43 PM »

Your psuedo white supremacism is really noticable today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_poverty

Do you browse the Stormfront forums or something?

Does it really matter why something is true, as long as it is?
I understand all the social causes and that race is a social construct and I'm taking sociology courses at Uni, but that doesn't invalidate the stats.

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Off Topic / Re: supreme court struck down affirmative action 6-2

« on: April 22, 2014, 08:50:23 PM »

Race might be a social construct but that doesn't mean statistics aren't true.