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Off Topic / Re: things you find painfully unfunny

« on: April 02, 2019, 01:38:41 AM »

People who ask for dumb stuff as a joke at the counter in fast food restaurant.

When I ask, "Anything else?", and someone says "A million dollars", it's not funny. It pisses me off, wastes my time, and makes me want to rip their dumbass head off their shoulders and beat their lifeless corpse with it.

You know what. Most things people do when they walk through the door at work piss me off.

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Off Topic / Re: Building first pc - looking for advice/suggestions

« on: March 22, 2019, 11:16:24 PM »

ah damn, i guess i misheard. good to know tho.

You were probably thinking of intrel's k-series chips. AMD has had a policy of only unlocked chips fer some time now.

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Off Topic / Re: talk about the most gangster stuff you’ve done

« on: March 19, 2019, 12:40:45 AM »

I helped commit a series of fraudulent transactions and got away with several hundreds of dollars in illegally acquired merchandise.

I punched a bird.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 18, 2019, 02:32:39 PM »

all this talk about linux is making me want to give it another shot on my laptop, but it's such a hassle to install stuff since my USB drive barely works half the time

You want a want a new one? I legitimately have a surplus.

Just like SATA cables, but there's a story behind that.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 18, 2019, 12:13:49 AM »

yes, for professionals, its on them to keep their system secure. but the average consumer cannot be assumed to be able to do so. linux was never and is never going to be a system intended for end users, while ms and macos are always developed with the end user in mind first.

I think the folks working on Mint and ElementaryOS would have something to say there, but really only time will can tell. Stranger things have happened in the software industry.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 18, 2019, 12:08:23 AM »

the reason i say its security is same or worse is cause theres no financial incentive for serious security experts to really stress test the os and ensure its secure. on top of that the massive numbers of distros means something not a security issue on one distro may be a threat on another. theres also no centralized forced auto update system you can absolutely trust, unlike microsoft’s central update servers and enforced distribution.

at any given point in time it (any given single distro) may be more, same, or less secure than windows/mac. but the times it will be less secure is almost certainly going to be more often than when its same or more due to the lack of incentives for expensive testing and fixes. its really just a matter of money in this case - microsoft literally pays people to ensure their systems security, while linux depends on an ephemeral mass of volunteers who come and go on a regular basis

Security is where companies like Red Hat and SUSE come in. Red Hat in particular takes security rather seriously.

Linux itself is quite secure. In the end it's always down to admins and users to keep systems secure and make not handicapped decisions, regardless of the OS in question.

gentoo doesn't have systemd(ick), and isn't for newcigarettes.

I enjoy putting minimal effort in to get things up and keep them running. If you want to use gentoo, that's fine, but systemd is a small price to pay for not having to spend hours tweaking and configuring. I have many systems to maintain, and not a lot of time every day.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 17, 2019, 11:51:09 PM »

linux is also a lot more lightweight than windows and boots a hell of a lot faster. its security is debatably on the same level or worse than microsoft.

phantos, since you code exclusively in higher level programming languages you don’t encounter the problems people coding on low level languages do in windows. its objectively easier to use linux for those languages since linux gives you better control of and information on things like process resource usage, memory allocation, compiling, file linkage, service packages, etc. and entirely through keyboard only input. for windows youd have to navigate a bunch of windows with mouse and install a bunch of stuff to do the same, on top of an os that runs slower by default.

its also a lot easier to duplicate installs and configuration compared to windows cause linux is free and making an iso of it will copy exactly over to other machines/vms. meanwhile windows requires a license key for each machine and is on average way more resource intensive (and thus unideal to vm)

all in all linux is just another os that just gives more power to the user - this is not necessarily a good thing for average consumers. windows closes off some of that power in favor of simplifying usability and increasing security. macos takes that a step further.

Linux security is actually pretty amazing, especially if you consider SELinux.

Well, it doesn't have Windows Hello, but that's a rather small trade-off.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 17, 2019, 11:29:36 PM »

Okay I can talk. I'm home and don't have three different managers getting on me about having my phone out at work.

i met some guy in high school who had autism and would always slip in some smartass comment about the computers he was using in class aren't as good as his custom linux laptop. he actually brought it to school one day and took notes only in the command line terminal and wrote some completely fake save command that i know as a mac user isnt valid unix syntax and closed his stuff down and made some comment on how he took notes efficiently. since then i've just given up on linux users entirely

im guessing the majority of you forgeters aren't that bad but using command line for everyday loving tasks like creating or saving files really pisses me the forget off. you're either using command line for important stuff or you're wasting your computer's potential on an underperforming OS and keeping your desktop looking pretty with some transparent glass theme like a whole tool

You act like those types of stuffheads are exclusive to Linux. They're everywhere! They're not even more common on Linux, just more annoying because they're wannabe Linux hipsters. Like mac hipsters, but worse.


Anyway. Now that I can, let me be clear "What I use Linux for".

I use it for everything I used Windows 7 for.

I spend a tiny fraction of my time actually working on software. It's a hobby. Gaming, chat, and multimedia are hardly different from Windows.

I finally switched when Windows 7's failing support began to become apparent. I was having driver crashes in some workloads, odd problems with support for the latest TLS versions, even Skype was causing my system to misbehave. I wasn't going to go to Windows 10. I hate the telemetry, the interface, the search function, the ads, the updates, the bugs. Microsoft could not have designed an OS that was less appealing to me.

Four years ago, I would have done anything to hold out. I would have stuck with Windows 7. I might have even sucked it up, and moved to Windows 10 anyway. But I'd already been running Fedora on my laptop for months. It's  different now. Linux isn't just for devs anymore. I only even open the terminal for low-level or remote tasks (Or if I'm board, I might open and close it several times trying to find something to do).

I don't have weird crashes, Skype doesn't freeze up my system when sharing the desktop, nearly all my software troubles are resolved. I didn't have to shell out for a mac, or give up my privacy, and It cost me nothing.

On top of that, I have to choice of exactly what I want out of my machine. The plain and industrial look and feel of Windows 7 followed me over, but I could have chosen any look or style with way less trouble than I had getting a second start bar for my second monitor on Windows.

It doesn't matter if you understand, or even if you want to. The fact is, Linux works. It just does. It's available for free, it's customizable in ways that even Windows isn't, often right out of the box, and there are no forced updates with bugs that delete your documents, of heavy costs for the hardware it runs on.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 17, 2019, 09:08:20 PM »

Wtf, did I accidentally make a linux megathread?

Disregarding PhantOS, is that a bad thing?

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 17, 2019, 08:43:42 PM »

server dev is the only area i see linux being actually applicable. linux is cut down in the sense that they removed all of the overhead of a functioning user interface because they expect their end user to sacrifice easy platform use for low level command line tweaking and stuff. as i said in my first post in this entire thread, linux is for people who are either so smart that they develop for linux, or want to pretend they are that smart by making a hassle for themselves and creating loving folders using command line magic instead of just right clicking and selecting new folder like 99% of all sane computer operators

We can argue all day about this. I already know that you have made up your mind. You will not be swayed and such is your right to have an opinion. But please don't try to dissuade new user from trying Linux. In that long run OS's don't even matter that much.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 17, 2019, 08:31:33 PM »

WHAT DO YOU USE LINUX FOR

I use it to dev for Linux servers. Also because it costs nothing, it's cut down, stable, efficient, and does everything I want and nothing I don't. But that's just me.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 17, 2019, 08:06:04 PM »

Developing a windows application on a Mac is just as hard as developing a mac application on windows. Cross platform development on all platforms is hard except between Mac and Linux because they both run on Unix. Nobody writes cross platform code, they use cross-platform libraries that automatically handle all the platform specific bullstuff for them.

Or they use pre-compiler switches.

You're not entirely wrong, but a large portion of existing network infrastructure is built on Linux. Development for that infrastructure is best done native. Then is ported to other systems later.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 17, 2019, 07:50:59 PM »

is there something i'm not getting? i've programmed in C# and Java and i've never ever been limited by my operating system in any way. Mac, windows and linux all have command line ways to interface and run things like java methods and programs if you reference the correct development kit. what the hell are you guys even doing that could possibly be limited by your OS when virtually every programming language runs on its own compiler or virtual machine?

Windows is okay for Windows development. Cross-platform development on Windows is legitimately terrible.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 17, 2019, 04:13:54 PM »

I've tried Linux before on my laptop, ElementaryOS (Ubuntu based) to be specific. Was gr8 but quickly got annoyed with how everything was installed / configured on there (through therminal), and the games I like aren't on Linux, and wine didn't work for stuff

Things have, and continue to greatly improve.

The graphical app manager in distros like elementary and mint have greatly improved, and as has been said, proton is great. Even Wine has gotten much better. I recommend that anyone trying Linux try a few different  distros.

I think I may do an actual report on the current usability of Linux as a whole. It has changed a lot in just the last 2-3 years.

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Off Topic / Re: Why u shuld all installation Linix rn, tbh

« on: March 17, 2019, 01:51:34 AM »

I've been on Fedora for months now. So yeah. Way ahead of you.

Then I wouldn't be able to run 90% of my steam games

More like 40-60%. Proton is pretty dope.