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Off Topic / Re: how do you feel about transgender people?

« on: January 01, 2017, 06:27:44 PM »

How did the story go then?

it was a long drama arc that started with dusty harassing and attacking bubbagum in random threads

thats not the only thing like that

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Off Topic / Re: how do you feel about transgender people?

« on: January 01, 2017, 06:09:55 PM »

This warrants a little bit of a blast-to-the-past for all the people in this thread that haven't been on the forums since 2012.

For those who aren't aware, back in 2012, a user named Dusty12 outed herself as a trans woman on the forums. Stocking responded with this:

not how the story goes but i guess the truth doesnt really matter to liberals マホー

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Off Topic / Re: Why do people say 2016 was "the worst year ever?"

« on: January 01, 2017, 06:07:52 PM »

2016 is a bad year because we're riding a wave of nationalism that is eerily similar to the conditions right before both world wars.

nationalism as in europeans getting sick of being purposely displaced and outbred by foreign muslims who hate western culture and want to see it destroyed? as in people getting sick of being raped and murdered by foreigners in their own country, and then called tribal bigots or neo national socialists if they complain about it? マホー

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Off Topic / Re: Why do people say 2016 was "the worst year ever?"

« on: January 01, 2017, 04:24:51 PM »

Stocking, 日本語で話すのを止める。

de wanai lol マホー

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Off Topic / Re: Age Limits Thread V3(?): Drinking!

« on: January 01, 2017, 02:44:22 PM »

i always felt like people want the drinking age removed because they feel drunk children are even easier to take advantage of. マホー

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Off Topic / Re: Why do people say 2016 was "the worst year ever?"

« on: January 01, 2017, 02:39:24 PM »

"Daddy, why do people say 2016 was the worst year? No one wants to talk about it. "
-sigh- "Come here kid. It all started with that loving gorilla..."

harambe had information on pizzagate... マホー

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Off Topic / Re: how do you feel about transgender people?

« on: January 01, 2017, 02:27:31 PM »

to say that patients with gender dysphoria are simply delusional is not only factually incorrect, it's also at the very least in poor taste, and almost certainly insensitive.

this has been the rhetoric of pretty much every liberal argument for the past decade.

it starts by saying something completely wrong

patients with gender dysphoria are simply delusional is factually incorrect

and then trying dissuade an argument by talking about how facts hurt peoples' feelings. your gender is determined by your genes, not your feelings or perceptions. if your perceptions of reality do not match actual reality, then you are by definition delusional.


That aside, this statement is so baffling to me that I had to re-read it a few times because I thought I was misinterpreting it.

calling this "encouragement" delegitimizes the patient's condition and is just as helpful a perspective as telling someone with clinical depression that it's all in their head/telling them things are okay/to just get over it.

You are trying to compare abating their mental illness to telling depressed people "it's all in their head." I'll be clear and concise so that readers don't get lost while I try to untangle this massive ball of stupidty.

Telling depressed people that it's "in their head" is basically how we treat depression. People who are depressed think that they are depressed for a reason: nobody loves them, they're worthless, their family would be better off without them, etc. More often than not, it's a clinical condition and we treat it with medicine and therapy. We say, "you aren't worthless, you're feeling this way because you're sick, it's all in your head." If they say, "the world would be better off if I just killed myself," we don't smile and hand them a loaded gun. There are psychological techniques that doctors have developed to help people with depression lead normal, productive lives.

This isn't the case with patients who are gender dysphoric. A genetically-male patient says "I feel like I was born a girl," and the doctor says "you're right, you ARE a girl." The patient says, "I feel like life would be better if I got my richard cut off," and the doctor says "you're right, life would be better if you cut your richard off!" This is a strange case of medical resources helping to maintain an illness rather than treating it. Again, it'd be like a doctor telling a depression patient that "your family actually DOES hate you and your parents divorce actually IS your fault."

Telling them that it's in their head is acknowledging that it's a mental illness that needs to be treated. The fact that you are so incapable of seeing that through the blinders of social justice is nauseating. マホー

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Off Topic / Re: how do you feel about transgender people?

« on: January 01, 2017, 01:57:28 PM »

Yeah that's pretty bad assuming it happens. I'm not sure you can always pin Self Delete on the surgery though, it likely stems from the initial body dysmorphia.

Which is why the dysphoria needs to be treated, not encouraged. You don't tell schizophrenics that the voices they hear are real people.

It's very good that you're polite. Though I have a lot of family in the American south, and I have to say I've found quite the opposite. There is outright family values and common sense on a daily basis but it's not very noticeable because, like you said, it's mostly conducted behind closed doors. It's when we find this social issue being reviewed in a political setting that that sort of hush-hush prejudice shows itself.

saying that family values/common sense is "outright" and at the same time "not very noticeable" and "conducted behind closed doors" is a complete contradiction, you realize that right? マホー

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hard to pin down an exact number of hateful individuals, but hate crimes are a good start.

so a whopping 1.7% of the 5818 incidents were due to transloveualism, versus the 59.2% that were due to race. thats about 99 transloveual hate crimes versus 3444 racially-motivated hate crimes in a country of almost 391 million people. its almost completely negligible.

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Drama / Re: stocking - vore spam, disturbed as forget

« on: January 01, 2017, 01:37:38 PM »

tony is an expert on girls

i remember when i was webcamming on tinychat and he came in and was like "this isnt proof youre a girl, show vagina you could still be a boy" マホー

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Off Topic / Re: how do you feel about transgender people?

« on: January 01, 2017, 01:28:32 PM »

Surgery isn't mutilation. It's carefully supervised in a medical setting. And removing limbs is a hindrance no matter how you look at it;

you can surgically mutilate somebody. this whole statement is stuff because circumcision, both male and female, happens in a surgical setting yet is clearly genital mutilation.

modifying somebody's genitalia is not going to impede their movement assuming the procedure doesn't go wrong.

it makes them kill themselves later in life. that is arguably worse.

Occam's razor says the horrible treatment and public opinion of transgenders is a more likely source of depression, not the mental turmoil you've made up and attributed to transgenders.

so youre saying, IAW occam's razor, that its more likely that mentally sick people are not depressed because of their illness, but because normal people think their post-transformation bodies are unnerving? i grew up in the deep south, in the bible belt, and this generation is pretty much completely indifferent to transloveualism. even with my opinion on the issue, i still have been nothing but polite to the transloveuals ive run into and i've treated them like i would anyone else. in my experience, even people who are outright disgusted by bearded transloveual 'women' will only express their views in private.

"family values" and "transsphobia" are extremely unpopular and as such, are relatively rare. blaming other people for your mistakes and your stuffty situation, however, is extremely popular. マホー

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Off Topic / Re: how do you feel about transgender people?

« on: January 01, 2017, 12:57:39 PM »

this is the biggest problem that I have with transgender treatments - so many people treat them as if the person wants to mulitate and hurt themselves - which isn't true.

they arent doing it with the intention to do either of those things. neither is someone with amputee identity disorder. however, in both cases sufferers achieve their desired body image through mutilation. mutilation and disfigurement isnt the intent, its the method.

if it were easier to convince somebody with psychological treatment quickly and easily that they aren't the gender that they think they are, we would likely use that method of treatment.

however, for gender transitions, psychology has spent years trying to find the best option to solve the issue, and they've decided that making somebody transition to another gender is easier to do than spending years trying to convince them otherwise.

0.44% of the US population are transloveual yet transloveuals account for 41% of all Self Delete attempts in the US

theres a reason for that, and its simple. you can point to "bigotry" or "transsphobia" as the cause, but it really isnt. i'd argue that its too much support: the media and the government telling these men that they can be women. that they can live life as a woman, when that is simply not true in most (99.9%) cases.

their expectations are raised so high and they hear all these promises, but after years of hormone therapy and genital mutilation surgeries, the results are very seldom what they expected. they undergo this hardship and then realize they arent pretty, and are in fact, extremely off-putting to your average joe. i ran into a lot of transloveuals when i lived in charleston and maybe 1% of those were remotely passable as women, and absolutely none of them looked anywhere near as good as transloveual models and research stars. i'd like to point to the "call me caitlyn" magazine cover where bruce jenner had the ever-loving stuff photoshopped out of him in order to make him look like a woman, to the point where the southpark representation is a more photo-realistic depiction.

transmissions see this stuff and think "hey, i can look like that," and when they turn out looking like post-op Christian Weston Chandler with no way to reverse the results you cant be surprised when they feel they have no other option but Self Delete マホー

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Off Topic / Re: how do you feel about transgender people?

« on: January 01, 2017, 12:22:22 PM »

that is a gross exaggeration of the process

they slice the head of the snake and peel it back in order to turn it inside out

how is that not mutilation? マホー

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Off Topic / Re: post new years hangover thread

« on: January 01, 2017, 11:58:40 AM »

tfw on duty during new years

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Off Topic / Re: Death Predictions for 2017

« on: January 01, 2017, 11:58:08 AM »

who are you

you havent forgotten me, liar マホー

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Off Topic / Re: 2017 WORLD POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: January 01, 2017, 11:47:23 AM »

russia is a loose cannon that can't be controlled or influenced by any common sense

dont be such a loving burger

russians arent intentionally destroying and demonizing their own culture to allow themselves to be replaced by foreign invaders

russians arent paying economic migrants from countries that hate them to help the migrants outbreed the native population in their own country

russians arent allowing child enthusiast rings to operate near their borders

russians arent trying to intentionally start a war to distract from evidence that proves theyve been funding and arming CIA all along

russia isnt literally helping CIA take over Syria

its a crazy world when russians are actually the good guys. マホー