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Drama / Re: Swollow - Using my IP to track down my state, and town.
« on: August 27, 2013, 04:10:42 AM »
There is no valid reason to do what Swollow did, this is information that is, yes, obtainable, but not everyone is fine with the information being given out freely.

You also make it out to seem like the guy didn't provide a valid reason for you to believe he was not okay with it, when one of the first things he said before you continued to give out information was "the forget do you need my IP?"
Noedit; but the only reason to continue giving out information, or to begin doing so is just an attempt to troll the guy.

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Drama / Re: Swollow - Using my IP to track down my state, and town.
« on: August 27, 2013, 04:09:17 AM »
There is no valid reason to do what Swollow did, this is information that is, yes, obtainable, but not everyone is fine with the information being given out freely.

You also make it out to seem like the guy didn't provide a valid reason for you to believe he was not okay with it, when one of the first things he said before you continued to give out information was "the forget do you need my IP?"

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Just came to say not a forum Self Delete, I'm not interested in a ban.

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I joined the server in response to a complaint made by a player with images of you claiming you could destroy parts of the build for reason of "because i can"

I was faced with tons of hashtag spam, and began looking over the evidence provided by the player.

The evidence appeared to show you calling the player a noob, correcting his words, making fun of him for still having the censor filter on, and not dealing with the other players in the server joining in on the fact.

I tried to rid you from the server as fast as possible, it was my #1 priority.
I kicked the player you talk about for spamming, he had no opposing argument that I saw.

Eventually I leave and rejoin upon the player telling me you left, so I rejoin and ban you for 15 days for;

Treating a player like stuff, encouraging(should have been allowing) others to do so, and destroying parts of the build.

You talk about benefiting the gameplay of the server by destroying parts of the build so players cannot camp, yet you and others made fun of a player to the point of him rejoining with a different name so as to avoid it all.

This will be the last post I make, and I've decided not to bother with the server any longer, dealing with this stuff has gotten old.

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siba has no right to ban another super admin over a trivial issue that the host was ok with.
I cannot predict every possible instance in which the host might have done something that I did not think was okay, I had no knowledge of him supposedly allowing this, and given his reaction to me building a tower outside of the minigame far from the build to watch, I'd say at first glance he wouldn't be okay with that.

You also put up a stuff argument and started basically trailing off, saying other outside problems were reason for your reaction to Giddy.

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i'm not talking about people who stuff on everyone 24/7. i'm talking about the guys that will make a careless comment about somebody or something. most people on the internet will do it without thinking. you're being overly sensitive and your incessant banning is what is going to make the server unpopular.

Despite the common claim, when I am administrating normally, I do warn the players most of the time.

Players who are at least kicked have repeated offences or do something that is worth a kick the first time.

also i'd argue that preventing teams is important; when the best players on the server team up, it just makes the rest of the people want to leave.

It has yet to be an issue of any kind, it's something everyone deals with normally and a few insults here and there, but it was most of the players that were talking there targeting a single person.

Please explain how I was "treating the player like stuff".

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Never tell your password to anyone.
5:19 PM - siba: I've removed Zeblote from the administration team and server.
5:20 PM - siba: Abusing his admin powers, encouraging others to treat teamers like stuff, and breaking parts of the build.
9:33 PM - Zapk: What?!
10:00 PM - siba: HI.
10:00 PM - siba: You there?
10:00 PM - siba: Want to talk about the stuff?
10:01 PM - Zapk: Yeah
10:01 PM - siba: Okay.
10:01 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/xrqbn1r.png
10:01 PM - siba: In this image.
10:01 PM - siba: We see Zeblote and Datablock ganging up on Gidyspace011 because he is teaming with a friend.
10:01 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/whDo9Ag.png
10:01 PM - siba: In this image.
10:02 PM - Zapk: "no you aren't"
10:02 PM - siba: We see Zeblote correcting his spelling mistake and the rest of the server continuing to make fun of it.
10:02 PM - Zapk: He's just being funny, nothing wrong.
10:02 PM - siba: Evidence backs that up in the next few pics.
10:02 PM - siba: Hang on.
10:02 PM - Zapk: Correcting mistakes is fine.
10:02 PM - Zapk: Infact I do it all the time.
10:02 PM - siba: Yes but allowing the whole server to gang up on the player is not.
10:02 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/PDxR5U8.png
10:03 PM - siba: In this image, continued making fun of gidy regarding his spelling.
10:03 PM - Zapk: Zeblote never said "make fun of him!1!"
10:03 PM - siba: Hannng on, still coming.
10:03 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/BZdMrYk.png
10:03 PM - siba: Unsure of this image.
10:03 PM - siba: Looks like just proof that Maddix and Gidy were teaming.
10:03 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/PbD1scG.png
10:04 PM - siba: Gidy complains about the players making fun of him for teaming.
10:04 PM - siba: Zeblote retorts with "says the nobo (noob) teaming up"
10:04 PM - siba: And I am unsure as to why.
10:04 PM - siba: But I do not have the image here of Zeblote admitting to breaking parts of the builds.
10:04 PM - siba: With a response of "because I can"
10:05 PM - siba: Gonna try to find it here...
10:05 PM - Zapk: Breaking parts of the build?
10:05 PM - siba: Destroying the top of festung due to 'camping'.
10:05 PM - siba: As well as parts of SPO castle.
10:05 PM - Zapk: ah ok
10:06 PM - siba: Can't seem to find the image, Armageddon can back me up on this tho.
10:06 PM - siba: He saw everything and took the images/brought me in the server.
10:06 PM - siba: I joined to be faced with players making fun of gidy, and two players continuously spamming #swag #yolo hashtags filling the chat at a constant rate.
10:07 PM - siba: And Zeblote not doing stuff.
10:07 PM - siba: And after hearing about all this and feeling rightfully so that he abused his power.
10:07 PM - siba: I removed his auto admin, he re-added himself and left.
10:07 PM - siba: I removed it again and banned him for 15 days.
10:08 PM - siba: Look at the reason in your banlist yourself, too long for the GUI.
10:08 PM - siba: Anyway, he abused his power, treated a player like stuff, allowed others to treat said player like stuff (encouraging it), and destroyed parts of the build possibly for personal gain.
10:09 PM - siba: And it was enough for a friend to message me on RTB.
10:09 PM - siba: Thoughts?
10:09 PM - siba: forget gotta find that admittance img.
10:09 PM - siba: Arma is not online at this time.
10:09 PM - siba: So I cannot retrieve them.
10:10 PM - siba: I'll go through my history...
10:10 PM - siba: This a picture you saw?
10:10 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/OeRrnsq.png
10:11 PM - siba: Annnd the breaking builds proof.
10:11 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/LekiERS.png
10:11 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/jmLWIR6.png
10:11 PM - Zapk: "because i can"
10:11 PM - Zapk: What is he responding too?
10:11 PM - Zapk: to*
10:11 PM - siba: Breaking builds.
10:11 PM - Zapk: Proof?
10:11 PM - siba: First image.
10:12 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/jmLWIR6.png
10:12 PM - siba: http://i.imgur.com/LekiERS.png
10:12 PM - siba: Second image.
10:12 PM - Zapk: kk
10:12 PM - siba: I initially banned both of the spammers for teaming up as well but rebanned them for a day after Arma told me they weren't part of it.
10:13 PM - siba: Just spammed the server.
10:13 PM - siba: And Datablock is allegedly part of this.
10:13 PM - siba: As bad as Zeblote according to Arma.
10:13 PM - siba: No proof on that really tho.
10:13 PM - siba: So I didn't do anything,
10:14 PM - siba: http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=240197.0
10:14 PM - siba: Oh stuff.
10:15 PM - Zapk: Put the proof in the topic
10:15 PM - Zapk: he has no ground
10:15 PM - Zapk: like at all
10:15 PM - Zapk: lol

Yes you do after you banned the most active admin. Noone is there administrating the server.
Me getting rid of you eliminated all problems in the server at the time.

Oh, and giddy changed his name and rejoined in hopes of you and the other players not targeting him any further.

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Why aren't you on the server administrating it if you're such a great admin?
What does that have to do with anything?

I have to be there every waking moment of the day now?

Why do you think that you're allowed to make up your own rules but I am not?
You treated the player like stuff for something that is mainly accepted in the server, and from what I've seen, doesn't exactly change the gameplay much.

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also everyone is an starfish on the internet. he'll find when you ban someone for treating players like stuff, eventually you'll only have 7 players.
stuffty excuse to allow stuffty players to continue doing stuffty things.

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It seems that there is more drama about my banner than the actual person I've posted about. The reason I have made a topic about Siba is because he is banning super admins for doing their job (fixing up maps, keeping players from teaming; to make the game more fun for others.) Then banning anyone who questions his actions, using them of siding with the super admins. Now lets go OVER siba's data and actions.

"fixing up maps", destroying parts of the map is not fixing them, getting Zapk to upload a new version of the save with changes made to them is fixing them, destroying parts of the map disrupts the gameplay.

"keeping players from teaming" this is not against the rules, and Zeblote's way of taking care of this 'problem' consisted of calling the player a noob and making fun of him along with others.

Zapk appears to agree with me on everything above.

He ban me with the reason: Treating players like stuff, constant stuff talking, joining in with Zeblote's treatment of players.

Firstly I'd like to know what players I treated like stuff, all I did was question Siba's actions to banning Zeblote.

Secondly I was confused as to what "stuff talking" is, that's why I asked Siba in the IRC chat, he is referring to me
using Twitter talk (@'s and #'s all the time) as a joke, (everyone on the server was aware it was a joke, maybe not Siba though)
he classed this as spam. It obviously wasn't spam, since I wasn't spamming it into the chat bar every three seconds. However in fairness, if Siba believed that this was actually spam, then fair enough (this is the only thing I can side with Siba on.)

Thirdly, I have no clue whatsoever as to what "joining in with Zeblote's treatment of players." is all about. All I did was question Siba's actions to banning Zeblote. I have no clue who this Giddyspace011 person is, (why I said "who is giddy?" in the IRC chat) I don't believe I ever saw him on the server, and if him and Zeblote did argue, then it would have been something that happened before I arrived. So this is another invalid accusation that Siba has thrown at me.

[17:24:01] [L]: Who's giddy?
[17:24:43] [L]: We'll see what Zapk has to see about this, regardless.
[17:25:36] [L]: Zapk worked too hard on the server to have stuffheads like you go and ruin it
[17:25:49] siba: "Was [L] in on treating giddy like stuff."
[17:25:53] siba: "oh no he wasnt"
[17:25:57] siba: "he was the one spamming hash tag stuff"
[17:26:03] siba: Your ban time has been reduced to one day.
[17:26:09] [L]: Who are you even quoting?
[17:27:38] [L]: what do you think Zapk thinks of you?
[17:28:05] siba: What does it matter?
[17:28:11] siba: I'm trying to do my best here.
[17:28:42] siba: Zeblote was treating giddy like stuff, Datablock allegedly was as well, oddity and you were spamming hashtag stuff.
[17:28:55] [L]: Banning players without a warning, and banning super admins for no reason is against admin rules
[17:29:15] siba: I banned him for perfectly valid loving reasons.
[17:29:15] [L]: The wisest thing for you to do now, so you don't get into even more trouble would to be unban Zeblote and me
[17:29:26] siba: Every single reason I placed in his ban reason, he commited.
[17:29:51] siba: I'm reducing your ban to a single day, possibly even less for the spam.
[17:29:52] [L]: That DOESNT MATTER
[17:29:55] siba: It was near constant.
[17:30:06] [L]: You need to give warnings for maybe me, fair enough if that was spam
[17:30:07] siba: L I don't have a guideline to follow here.

I admit here it was a mistake to ban you for both the time and reasons stated because of how much stuff I was dealing with at once.

You seem to acknowledge it, yet you put up the argument again as if you have no idea why I did so and I just won't tell you anything.

Finally, Siba accuses me of "scaring off" players for using my Twitter talk in the server:

[17:41:47] siba: I don't consider spamming up the server a joke.
[17:42:11] siba: You bring down the quality of the server by doing so, scaring off players who don't care to listen to your 'joke'.
[17:42:28] [L]: What players did I "scare"?
[17:42:56] [L]: You bring down the quality of servers by banning people you dislike .
[17:43:07] siba: I didn't ban you because I dislike you.
[17:43:17] [L]: Siba just tell me, who did I "scare" off
[17:43:19] siba: I banned you at first for spamming, and joining in on Zeblote's stuff.
[17:43:31] siba: Until the player I am talking to corrected that.
[17:43:37] siba: I rebanned you for a day for the spam.
[17:43:38] [L]: Who did I scare off
[17:43:51] siba: You don't need to scare off a player at that very moment.
[17:43:57] [L]: Siba...
[17:43:59] [L]: who
[17:44:00] [L]: did
[17:44:01] [L]: I
[17:44:02] [L]: scare
[17:44:02] [L]: off
[17:44:08] siba: You keep the population of the server down when you spam the server.
[17:44:12] siba: Less people stick around.
[17:44:14] [L]: Siba
[17:44:31] [L]: Most on the server were in on my twitter jokes, now who did I scare off
[17:44:57] siba: I couldn't give less of a stuff, you bring the quality down for the players that do not.
[17:45:08] siba: Which is the players we want to attract.
[17:45:15] siba: Not someone who is going to join in on the spam WITH you.
[17:45:15] [L]: Siba will you answer my question
[17:45:22] [L]: siba
[17:45:29] siba: I answered your loving questions.
[17:45:32] siba: Every one of them.
[17:45:34] siba: Goodbye.
[17:45:36] * You have blocked [L].

Obviously that sounds like complete bullstuff, what I can make out of this is that Siba thinks I ended up making people leave the server because of how annoying I am. When I asked him who I "scared off" he completely avoids the question as you can see above, I have to ask him several times until I can get an answer out of him. When I do get an answer out of him he says "Every one of them." Is this meant to mean I "scared off" every player on the server? I don't even need to tell you all how ridiculous that is. I would have questioned Siba about that, however he left the conversation when he realized what he said was hilariously dumb.

A player spamming a popular server will drain that server of players easily if an admin does not step in, I told you to stop spamming at one point in the server and you simply said it was not spam and continued.

You don't have to mash your keyboard for something to be counted as spam.

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that's not good administration lol. that's just you not being able to be the bigger person.
If the person seems like he has an argument that would just worsen if I were to get rid of the guy, I am hesitant to get rid of him.

But I will not argue for hours in the public chat, only RTBC.

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Keep in mind besides the rules in the server, I have no guideline as an admin, Zapk never set up anything like that so it is purely based on my judgement.

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uhhhhhhhh
I will argue trying to reach a peaceful end point.

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My opinion is based off of several occurrences that have been happening for over three years. All due to Siba being a horrible administrator. There's been about three of them since Zapk's rising lava has opened up. He's obviously not changed and I stand strong on what I think of him.
I'm a strict admin, I pay extensive attention to the chat and server I administrate, I don't let even small issues go unnoticed, and I will argue for hours if I feel like the player may change his mind.

My actions are purely meant to benefit the server, to weed out the consistent trouble makers and keep the server popular with players that aren't going to forget around.

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Just stating my opinion. If you have problems with it you can go forget yourself.
Your opinion holds no ground if you can't conjure up a decent argument to the proof I posted.

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Siba, didn't you say you quit adminstration on this server?
I returned.

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