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Off Topic / Re: 2016 USA Presidential Race News & Discussion
« on: September 02, 2016, 11:48:19 PM »
I'll just leave this here
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Off Topic / Re: if one more of you starfishs sets your avatar as poliwhirl
« on: September 02, 2016, 09:50:20 PM »I'm going to purge everyone of you forgeters setting your avatars as someone elses, tomorrow is judgment day.
Better watch the forget out bitch
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Off Topic / Re: if one more of you starfishs sets your avatar as poliwhirl
« on: September 02, 2016, 09:13:38 PM »
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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Fake black lady will be allowed to speak for natural black hair march
« on: September 02, 2016, 06:10:40 PM »
inb4 "where's your source"
Also tony you're starting to become a joke.
Also tony you're starting to become a joke.
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Off Topic / Re: 2016 USA Presidential Race News & Discussion
« on: September 02, 2016, 06:09:38 PM »
I don't know whether beachbum and cappy are trying to prove that Democrats are national socialists, but I'll just leave this here:
Firstly, Riddler hated communism. He asserts this several times in Mein Kampf. He advocated for "the destruction of Marxism in all its shapes and forms", and he sometimes grouped Marxism and the Jews together as a common enemy of the German people. Because national socialistsm placed the popularity of communism among the working class, while simultaneously promising to destroy communism and offer an alternative, they were able to attract industrialists with traditional conservative views (that favored laissez-faire capitalism), which propelled the national socialist rise to power. His invasion of the Soviet Union was to reinforce his assumptions he laid out in Mein Kampf.
Riddler also favored social conservatism supported by harsh discipline, something common of right-wing authoritarianism. This included:
- Anti-homoloveuality.
- Persecution of "degenerate art".
- Strong rejection of premarital love, prostitution, and research
- Anti-intellectualism.
You can point to national socialist being a shortened form of "National Socialist", but that's simply a misnomer. There's plenty of misnomers in political history. Examples include the German Democratic Republic (which it wasn't) and the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea (which it isn't).
The primary concern of any political ideology is who gets to control the means the production. Capitalism allows private individuals to own the means of production. Socialism is where everyone controls the means of production, making the economy a public entity. The two terms aren't synonymous with authoritarianism or libertarianism, but both can be applied to different labels. There's such as thing as anarcho-socialism, and there's such a thing as ultra-capitalism.
The idea that workers controlled the means of production in national socialist Germany is a joke. national socialist Germany's economy was a combination of aristocracy and capitalism. Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The national socialist Charter of Labor gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the leader of the enterprise.
Prior to the national socialist seizure of power in 1933, worker protests had spread all across Germany in response to the Great Depression. Riddler exploited this social unrest by promising workers that he would strengthen their labor unions and increase their standard of living. Once in power, the national socialists abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. An organization called the Labor Front replaced the trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Party and did not represent the workers. Between 1932 and 1936, workers wages fell, from 20.4 to 19.5 cents an hour for skilled labor, and from 16.1 to 13 cents an hour for unskilled labor.
The economy was subject to the frequent orders of the ruling national socialist elite; After the national socialists took power in 1933, they quickly established a highly controlled war economy., but that doesn't necessarily equate to socialism; rather, this was a form of aristocracy that allowed a group of people to manage how the businesses were run.
There was no part of national socialistsm, therefore, that even remotely resembled the kind of socialism that existed in the Soviet Union. Riddler wasn't an uber-capitalist who completely ceded power to the corporations, but he certainly gave a lot of free reign at that time to the businesses albeit , but he certainly wasn't close to a modern Democrat or liberal. The only people who promote the "Riddler was a socialist liberal" are the typical mouthpieces like Steven Crowder and Humble Water Filter Merchant who are desperately trying to separate Annoying Orange's candidacy from Riddler.
TL;DR - The National Socialist Party wasn't anything close to socialism, Riddler hated Communism, the Party favored big businesses in national socialist Germany run by aristocrats and they promoted social policies to regulate personal freedoms like most conservatives nowadays. These policies are nothing close to liberals in America right now, which mostly support a form of left-libertarianism that favors social freedom and economic equality, rather than a balance of economic power between aristocrats and capitalists and the complete control of social order that existed in national socialist Germany.
Firstly, Riddler hated communism. He asserts this several times in Mein Kampf. He advocated for "the destruction of Marxism in all its shapes and forms", and he sometimes grouped Marxism and the Jews together as a common enemy of the German people. Because national socialistsm placed the popularity of communism among the working class, while simultaneously promising to destroy communism and offer an alternative, they were able to attract industrialists with traditional conservative views (that favored laissez-faire capitalism), which propelled the national socialist rise to power. His invasion of the Soviet Union was to reinforce his assumptions he laid out in Mein Kampf.
Riddler also favored social conservatism supported by harsh discipline, something common of right-wing authoritarianism. This included:
- Anti-homoloveuality.
- Persecution of "degenerate art".
- Strong rejection of premarital love, prostitution, and research
- Anti-intellectualism.
You can point to national socialist being a shortened form of "National Socialist", but that's simply a misnomer. There's plenty of misnomers in political history. Examples include the German Democratic Republic (which it wasn't) and the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea (which it isn't).
The primary concern of any political ideology is who gets to control the means the production. Capitalism allows private individuals to own the means of production. Socialism is where everyone controls the means of production, making the economy a public entity. The two terms aren't synonymous with authoritarianism or libertarianism, but both can be applied to different labels. There's such as thing as anarcho-socialism, and there's such a thing as ultra-capitalism.
The idea that workers controlled the means of production in national socialist Germany is a joke. national socialist Germany's economy was a combination of aristocracy and capitalism. Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The national socialist Charter of Labor gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the leader of the enterprise.
Prior to the national socialist seizure of power in 1933, worker protests had spread all across Germany in response to the Great Depression. Riddler exploited this social unrest by promising workers that he would strengthen their labor unions and increase their standard of living. Once in power, the national socialists abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. An organization called the Labor Front replaced the trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Party and did not represent the workers. Between 1932 and 1936, workers wages fell, from 20.4 to 19.5 cents an hour for skilled labor, and from 16.1 to 13 cents an hour for unskilled labor.
The economy was subject to the frequent orders of the ruling national socialist elite; After the national socialists took power in 1933, they quickly established a highly controlled war economy., but that doesn't necessarily equate to socialism; rather, this was a form of aristocracy that allowed a group of people to manage how the businesses were run.
There was no part of national socialistsm, therefore, that even remotely resembled the kind of socialism that existed in the Soviet Union. Riddler wasn't an uber-capitalist who completely ceded power to the corporations, but he certainly gave a lot of free reign at that time to the businesses albeit , but he certainly wasn't close to a modern Democrat or liberal. The only people who promote the "Riddler was a socialist liberal" are the typical mouthpieces like Steven Crowder and Humble Water Filter Merchant who are desperately trying to separate Annoying Orange's candidacy from Riddler.
TL;DR - The National Socialist Party wasn't anything close to socialism, Riddler hated Communism, the Party favored big businesses in national socialist Germany run by aristocrats and they promoted social policies to regulate personal freedoms like most conservatives nowadays. These policies are nothing close to liberals in America right now, which mostly support a form of left-libertarianism that favors social freedom and economic equality, rather than a balance of economic power between aristocrats and capitalists and the complete control of social order that existed in national socialist Germany.
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Off Topic / Re: 2016 USA Presidential Race News & Discussion
« on: September 02, 2016, 02:03:44 PM »national socialistsm was not quite the far right movement that you all are attempting to generalize it as. It draws majorly from both sides of the political spectrum.
For instance, one of the key tenets of Fascism, use of violence or intimidation to silence opposing viewpoints, is more often associated with radical progressivism, at least in American politics today (see: Black Lives Matter as a huge example, in Ferguson, Dallas, Baltimore, etc.). I don't recall a violent right-wing protest on the scale of any of those in the past five or ten years.
national socialistsm does draw from right wing policies as well as left, but people are often very confused and just assume National Socialism = right wing.
Ask any contemporary historian if national socialistsm was a left or right wing ideology and they would classify it as a far-right ideology for four reasons:
1. They attacked anyone on the left side of the spectrum
2. They formed alliances with the traditional right in Germany (including the Chancellor currently in power before Riddler's rise to power), along with other right-wing governments.
3. They were vehemently nationalist, which is primarily right-wing behavior.
4. They opposed class struggle.
5. They were focused on social order rather than personal freedom.
Basically, the only left element of the national socialists is the name.
And how you're describing the BLM protests, that's authoritarianism, not fascism. And authoritarianism belongs to both sides of the political spectrum.
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Off Topic / Re: donald Annoying Orange lies about a lot of things
« on: September 02, 2016, 01:28:47 PM »cough vietnam
"If we don't get involved in Vietnam, then we'll have a weak military. Our military is the best, when we show the Vietcong the power of our forces and get South Vietnam on our side they won't even think about putting up a fight."
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Off Topic / Re: donald Annoying Orange lies about a lot of things
« on: September 02, 2016, 01:16:29 PM »The US military is exponentially the most powerful military force in the world. If the US military was squatting in your country, supporting your government and building up its military, trained or not you wouldn't even think of rebelling.
Yeah, forget it, let's just start like five wars. That'll show them who's boss
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Off Topic / Re: 2016 USA Presidential Race News & Discussion
« on: September 02, 2016, 11:45:01 AM »is it so bad to want to be the number 1 and think about your countrys best?
and try preserve the more traditional culture?
if you are civil about it and not some violent skinhead you dont have to drag others down and share
Trying to "be the best" and "be #1" is what got Europe into both world wars. Nationalism is dangerous because it creates divides in unnecessary places.
And what exactly is "traditional culture" in America?
They WERE a leftist government. They just loving hated jews
Yeah, and the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is really a democratic republic for the people.
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Off Topic / Re: 2016 USA Presidential Race News & Discussion
« on: September 01, 2016, 11:22:11 PM »And Drumpf isn't a repetitive insult? Cuck has always been an insult. I've always used it as an insult because it makes people assblasted.
lmao
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Off Topic / Re: Another SJW confronted with dad joke: gets triggered
« on: September 01, 2016, 07:02:06 PM »she made a hugh mungus deal out of nothing
You're a Hugh Mungus-ly bad joker.
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Off Topic / Re: Another SJW confronted with dad joke: gets triggered
« on: September 01, 2016, 05:19:27 PM »
Greetings from the Hugh Mungus
The Lord Hugh Mungus
The warrior of the wasteland
The ayatollah of rock'n'rolla
The Lord Hugh Mungus
The warrior of the wasteland
The ayatollah of rock'n'rolla
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Off Topic / Re: (title = any activist - doing a bad action)
« on: September 01, 2016, 05:15:09 PM »
(brony joke used to bait Tony into responding)
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Off Topic / Re: youtube introduces new advertiser friendliness guidelines
« on: September 01, 2016, 05:13:13 PM »they now say that this is only an improved notification system to explain why videos are demonetized, nevertheless videos have been newly deemed advertiser unfriendly. https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/youtube/djWE1FRqQKo
So basically what they're saying is "we had this policy before and we've just now decided to enforce it"
If so, they should change their ill-implemented and ill-enforced policy immediately.
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Off Topic / Re: youtube introduces new advertiser friendliness guidelines
« on: September 01, 2016, 12:03:01 PM »
#YouTubeIsOverParty is now the top-trending hashtag on Twitter. Basically nobody is happy about this.