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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 02:29:45 AM »

Thanks for your input, if I could go back and change the thread tittle I would.

You can, just edit your original post and change whats in the "Subject" box.

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 02:27:33 AM »

Jim has as much power to lift 10lbs, bob has the power to lift 100lbs in a gym. Bob is the most poweful guy in the Gym.

Bobs cuts his arms off. Jim is the most powerful guy in the gym.

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 02:25:17 AM »

Yeah he can get that power back just as easily, and he is still the most all powerful being in the universe soooo...

How so?

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 02:21:47 AM »

Yeah he is still all powerful, I don't see how that statement changes anything.


Bob can make a better Graphic logo than Jim,  Their fore  Bob is better Graphic artist.

But, he waved some of his power away, so he can't still be all powerful. All means everything and anything. Sure, he can choose to get rid of some of his power, but that doesn't mean he is still all powerful afterwards.

but believing in the wrong god is just as unfortunate as not believing in any at all.

for some reason people of faith only specifically follow 1 obscure faith. their odds arent any better then a non believer.

if a god exists. a non believer has more chance of his acceptance then a believer of the wrong faith.

This helps explain what he said.

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 02:16:27 AM »

ah, you see, that makes sense.

I edited it.

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 02:10:42 AM »

stupidity has been highlighted.

Excuse me, that was the "southern" grammar in me. What I meant was "there are is nothing out there that can do anything."

so how good a god is, is now the debate on if there is a god or not?

or have we just ignored the "vs" part of the topic completely?

we just ignored the "vs" part of the topic completely?

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 02:08:58 AM »

The paradox of omnipotence.
Some argue that omnipotence is flawed by definition. A common example question to point this out is:
Can an omnipotent being create a stone that is so heavy the being cannot lift it?
If he cannot create it, then isn't that a flaw in his omnipotence?
If he can create it, but cannot lift it, then isn't that a flaw in his omnipotence?

The answer is very simple: "Yes he can create it; and no it's not a flaw that he cannot lift it.". The problem is choice again. An omnipotent being surely has the potential to lift any stone, but also the potential to wave his own potential by choice! So the reason he cannot lift the stone then is not because the being was never capable of lifting it, but because he chose so. A variation to the question could then be conceived, where the reason for not being able to lift it is better speculated. More precisely, so the characteristics of the stone is not linked directly to the creator, like: Can an omnipotent being create something that is to heavy to lift even for an (other) omnipotent being? Here the question is unreasonable. The questioner is asking for an object with contradicting characteristics. Asking if omnipotence can make the impossible possible. He might just as well have asked, can an omnipotent being create water that isn't wet, or squared circles. At best, the only thing this question could illustrate is that the existence of two omnipotent beings is problematic since the omnipotence of one would include limiting the other's omnipotence and vice versa.

So, it is choosing not to be able to lift that stone? So, it is choosing to wave some of it's "power" away, leading to the point I was trying to make.

In other words, being a god means you can't do certain things or you no longer qualify as a god.

Seeing as a god has to be all powerful.

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 02:01:28 AM »

So Does 1 =1 or does 1 = 2? Simple question just answer it.

One equals one, and that is what I've been trying to say.

Anything =/= certain things

And, nothing out there can do anything, for that means it will be able to do something that will prevent itself from doing something else. Therefore, it makes itself impossible to be a god.

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 01:53:01 AM »

That is like saying  a triangle can have 4 sides, in order to be God you must go beyond the laws that are subjected to humans and objects.

Except that the means Example breaches into a state of being a deity places "laws" on them in the form omnipotence. Which is a self conflicting "law"

In other words, being a god means you can't do certain things or you no longer qualify as a god.
Edit:
That, and it breaks the universe.

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 01:36:04 AM »

Alright.

Okay, so think about this.

Edit:Yes, we have. But, that paradox is one thing that limits my belief in a god. Because, if it contradicts it self through it's own being, how can it exist?

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 01:33:46 AM »

Like I said we are talking about an all powerful God that created the universe and monitors it or does not monitor it.

Right, it would just be easier if you wrote "a god" instead.

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 01:29:58 AM »

you dont want people to discuss any actual religions, but you speak of "god" as a very specific way. from a specific faith

breakin your own rules there

I pointed this out earlier, but he seems to have ignored it.

Please, to stay true to what you stated before, don't capitalize the word "God." It makes it seem that you are talking about Yahweh.

Edit:

We just went over that.

Yes, we have. But, that paradox is one thing that limits my belief in a god. Because, if it contradicts it self through it's own being, how can it exist?

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 01:28:41 AM »

If you  were to ask, "Can God terminate His own existence?" the answer is that the divine omnipotence does not relate to this; it is intrinsically impossible, for the divine nature necessarily entails the divine perfections, of which Being is one. It is impossible that God could cease to have this perfection or any other, for otherwise He would not be God.

But, if the qualifications for a god were to be all knowing and all powerful, wouldn't that entail that it can do anything? Even limit itself, which would be a paradox?

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 01:20:42 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox


This is what you are talking about?


Is the number 1 actually Number 1?
Are the colors of oranges actually Orange?


Paradoxical questions are paradox, but no answer will quench  the question. Hence the question is fruitless.

Yes, and that question pertains to this paradox question. So, reasoning dictates that something that can do anything is a paradox. Or something like that. Wouldn't you agree?

First post an argument-prone religious topic? Signature shows that you're a Kristian Konversion Krusader?

My deduction?
*monocle*

Troll account

Obviously:

I have another account here.

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Off Topic / Re: Atheism Vs Deism

« on: June 19, 2011, 01:13:49 AM »

If it can make a wall, can't it climb it's own wall? If God can make it I am pretty sure the creator can climb it.

Then it can't create a wall that it cannot climb. Therefore, it cannot do everything.