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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: October 19, 2017, 12:10:51 AM »

did you just assume america's gender

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: October 18, 2017, 11:50:44 PM »

thread's been way worse than this tbh

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: October 18, 2017, 11:31:47 PM »

Quote from: Red Spy on October 18, 2017, 11:27:46 PM

you're actually handicapped good to know

wait are you talking to me, luigi, or both of us

communism is "worse" than national socialistsm only if you take in the account of death toll. again those deaths from communism only resulted by the fact that it's loving impossible and exploited by evil people

when you get down into their core ideologies it's pretty clear which one is worse

again communism is impossible and doesnt help people, but national socialistsm is a whole other level of forgeted up

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: October 18, 2017, 11:20:45 PM »

an interesting read while doing research:
i have no idea how much of this is even valid but I found it interesting, that's all

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Of those who hate or fear "communism" or "socialism", I've yet to meet one who actually knows what exactly communism is. They seem to have this crazy idea about what Marx had in mind, the evil regime where the state took all your money and controlled your every move, the horrifying Orwellian dystopia of total control with absolutely no human rights.

Poor Marx... (well, blame Stalin and Mao for it, they ruined communism for good).

When Marx first raised the idea of social progression, he believed communism was the final stage of social evolution. The idea is that society would go from primitive society to slavery to feudal society to capitalism to socialism and eventually reach communism. In his hypothesis, Marx predicted human society would reach communism AFTER we had cumulated great material wealth. The exact words he use were "the utmost abundance of material". He believed that only when we have more than enough resources for everyone, will we reach a society in which all the material goods are allocated by state government. There's no limit what or how much you can take. The state will provide you with whatever want, food, housing, clothing, decoration, entertainment... and you do whatever you're willing to do to contribute. There's no currency, there's no social status, there's no poor or rich, your every possible need is provided by the government. You go to work not for earning livelihood, but instead, you work for pure self fulfillment or self improvement. Your contribution to the society has no connection to what you receive from the society. You can, by all means, do nothing, just enjoy life. But Marx believed people will want to contribute, for their own self fulfillment. This was the Utopian picture Marx had painted when he first discussed communism.

As you can see, there's really nothing evil about this idea. In a way, it's very similar to the society pictured in Star Trek, in which people work to advance human technology and knowledge as a whole, instead of working for material wealth and personal gain. It is a very idealistic society, and everyone is happy.

Unfortunately, the communist ideal was hijacked by the USSR and "communist" China, and they really gave communism a bad name. Both are NOT communism or even socialism. The USSR and China before 1980s were a dysfunctional combination of planned economy + totalitarianism + several failed trials of socialism; The USSR dissolved and Russia went on to become a full fledged capitalist country, while China went through the economic revolution and became a State Capitalism + Totalitarian/Oligarchy country. I have no doubt leaders of both countries really did want to follow Marx's theory and establish a socialist or communist society for their people. But the problem is that, as Marx had made it very clear, the foundation of socialism and communism is an "unlimited amount of material wealth". That's why the society needs to go through capitalism to accumulate that wealth. And that's also why none of the current countries will ever reach that any time soon.

But the leaders had already put themselves in the communist boat when they gathered the people and started their freaking revolution. They called themselves communists to win over poor, working class people. Both parties had used Marx's idea to attract the then vulnerable and oppressed factory workers and landless peasants. In the case of China, peasants join the party to start the revolution, kill the evil landlords and take their lands! It's a quite tempting idea, and many people did join up. Only to find out, they didn't end up actually owning the land, the State owned it for them. The State assigned them to work on those fields and the State paid their "salaries".

I think what really scared western capitalism was the anarchy, the unknown, the possibility that their own people could rise up and take rich people's property, just like Chinese did. Think about the Russian revolution, and the Chinese revolution, neither ended well for the wealthy people. It's like French Revolution and there's no Napoleon to come in and save the day. The raw chaotic power from these revolutions was really scary. If the people of Russian and China can rise up under the name of "communism", storm the mansions and loot the stores, what's stopping American poor people doing the same thing?

And Marx somehow said that communism will be the gravedigger of capitalism, that doesn't help either. I think what Marx meant was for the society to evolve, so eventually communism would replace capitalism when we're ready, like capitalism replaced feudalism. He didn't meant to have the two be arch enemies and have eternal good vs. evil fight over who rules the world. But somehow, people started to see it as such, both superpowers consider themselves to be the good, and the opposite side to be the evil.

Communism is not evil. What people considered to be "communism", is actually totalitarianism or anarchy, which is actually pretty horrible.

Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 18, 2017, 11:18:16 PM

setting aside an argument about whether it actually is theft, are you seriously equating theft and ethnic genocide right now?

Quote from: Deus Ex on October 18, 2017, 11:11:53 PM

There's no more excuses to be made, communism does not work, at all, ever

i mean i never said it did because it doesnt work

all this post really tells me is that you still fail to read what you're responding to

@red spy

Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 18, 2017, 11:18:16 PM

setting aside an argument about whether it actually is theft, are you seriously equating theft and ethnic genocide right now?

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: October 18, 2017, 11:03:38 PM »

17 million* first of all

communism isn't inherently evil because it's just a stupid economic system that needs fixing (if fixing it will even fix it) yes it kills people but thats because it's flawed not because "this economic system has the sole purpose of killing people who are ethnically inferior"

national socialistsm is evil and people die because that's what it stands for. communism on the other hand is just handicapped and people die because its handicapped

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: October 18, 2017, 10:56:18 PM »

Quote from: Red Spy on October 18, 2017, 10:54:30 PM

can we all agree any form of communism and national socialistsm are bad

yes but just my two cents

communism is bad because it's flawed and allows forgeted up people to take control

national socialistsm is literally evil

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

« on: October 18, 2017, 10:39:48 PM »

Quote from: PhantOS on October 18, 2017, 10:36:33 PM

cant we all just put our left and right differences aside and agree that punching people for expressing their opinion is loving handicapped

if it's a handicapped opinion and leaning towards being actually forgeted up/harassment then yeah they deserve it

not the right thing to do in almost all cases but im not going to be upset if a neo-national socialist or tribal gets punched, same thing for some blabbering "feminism" activist, though their views arent inherently forgeted up

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