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Off Topic / Re: the google pixel 2 won't have a headphone jack
« on: September 14, 2017, 05:09:52 PM »
lol. had an android 5s for a few years now. never felt the need to upgrade. I don't really think there's anything I need that it can't do
uh what is an android 5s? what

this loving sucks though. i would have been cool with it if apples decision had panned out at all but it seems like what apple did wasnt the "revolution" they hoped for

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Off Topic / Re: xxxtentacion lynches a white kid
« on: September 13, 2017, 11:30:09 PM »
xxxtentacion is a trash bag

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hey guys not 100% if this is the right thread to discuss operating systems or software on, but i've been really thinking about becoming a beginner about linux, and maybe consider a dual-boot with windows and linux. hearing about linux in this forum seems to come off as pretty good for me. i'm not really sure where to start though, anything i should know or be advised about before deeply getting into linux and trying it out?
You can start with Ubuntu, it's the most accessible distro and it'll get you used to Linux in general.

IMO whenever you install a new OS you should do a backup of all your stuff if possible. Would def recommend that.

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checkmate android users
actually though why does snapchat look like ass on android? when you look at the camera specs they usually match up pretty well so its gotta be the software

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"
« on: September 13, 2017, 12:32:30 AM »
Sure, but my beef is that many of the young activists I know use it as a term virtually synonymous with 'black person', which means that they end up ascribing forms of discrimination to POC which really only happen to say, blacks or latinos.
I think saying "police brutality disproportionately harms POC" is not necessarily a semantically incorrect statement (even if we're of the belief that, say, Asian people probably don't experience a disproportionate amount of police brutality) just because it doesn't apply to the entire umbrella of "POC"

Is that the kind of statement you're talking about?

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"
« on: September 12, 2017, 11:54:02 PM »
so he's like a normal person then
I was talking about the hypothetical "you", not ottosparks. "One" would have been a better term probably.

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"
« on: September 12, 2017, 11:27:37 PM »
why do we love giving political concepts scary names like that. it's like the stark opposite to a glittering generality, it's so objectively emotionally unappealing that anyone who doesn't understand the term conceptually just thinks you're crazy for suggesting something so scary-sounding exists
I can't really think of a better word for it than that - "it" being a pattern of racism that puts white people into a disproportionate amount of power in a bunch of social structures. The word is technical and and inaccessible because it's describing something wispy and hard to define. I do think leftism is inaccessible in a lot of ways but making the terminology less "spooky" is a zero sum game. If the connotation of words like "white supremacy" and "racism" are enough to make you ignore the rest of the rhetoric, you likely aren't one of the people who'd be convinced by the rhetoric anyway.

I feel with you OP, LGBT culture adopted queer as a reclaimed word but I really don't like being called a queer
Do you have a negative personal history with that word?

we're talking about american sociology though, not worldwide
Why? I've heard this term used in international and global contexts many times before.

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Off Topic / Re: Car thread
« on: September 12, 2017, 11:22:12 PM »
nice car, but where did your van gogh?
BLEUGHG

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Off Topic / Re: Car thread
« on: September 12, 2017, 10:10:05 PM »

i van goghed my car  :cookieMonster:

i reattached the mirror w epoxy today, i hope it stays

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"
« on: September 12, 2017, 10:06:30 PM »
Everyone who isn't white is a person of color. A rich-ass Chinese immigrant is a POC. A guy who's 1/4 Argentinian is a POC. A black guy is a POC. But what commonalities are there in the discrimination they face in our society? Basically nothing because their experiences are completely different.
yeah but if you believe in structural white supremacy then anyone who's not white is clearly affected by it, even if its to different degrees/in different ways. and it turns out most of the people saying "people of color" believe in structural white supremacy

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"
« on: September 12, 2017, 08:58:03 PM »

the way you formatted this makes it hard to respond so im just not going to

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It's incredible, we go from "forget physical buttons the Home button should be phased out" to "WHERE THE forget IS MY HOME BUTTON SMH APPLE"
Do people actually really want the home button? Lots of newer Android phones have no face buttons at all, just volume/power buttons. It's really not that bad.

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Off Topic / Re: rant on the term "people of color"
« on: September 12, 2017, 05:48:45 PM »
today a girl in my social studies class called sandra cisneros a person of color, and afterwards the teacher started using the term too

let me tell you why "person of color" pisses me off- and this isn't even mentioning the fact that i thought we were past the era of whites vs non-whites and calling black ppl colored ("i'm not saying down syndrome people are handicapped people, i'm saying they're people of handicapation!")
"person of color" is a term coined by non-white people, and generally accepted by non-white people, which is what differentiates it from calling someone "colored".

sandra cisneros is hispanic.

the primary cultural ancestor of the hispanics are the spaniards.

the spaniards were not buddy-buddy with native americans, asians, or the africans that they imported as slaves to the new world.

lumping the hispanic ethnicity in with everything else that isn't euro-american completely disregards history. ironically, it disregards an entire chapter of white colonialism and imperialism, despite the people who use the term PoC usually being critical of whites oppressing non-whites.
I think this is a bit reductive. The impression I get is that Latino/Hispanic ethnicity comes from Europeans and indigenous people having kids. So Latino/Hispanic people were "buddy-buddy" with Native Americans, because they were (and are) partly Native American themselves.

"Hispanic" is sort of a misnomer that implies that Hispanic people exclusively descend from Spaniards, which I think is untrue.

it turns an honest conversation into "us vs them".

my father is a cuban immigrant. i am considered a person of color. i hate the loving term so much. my cultural heritage is not intertwined with ethnic african-americans, japanese-americans, chinese-americans, etc.
"Person of color" isn't a word that's meant to describe the cultural heritage of anyone. It's used to talk about racial power dynamics. (people of color in contrast to white people who held and hold more power generally in most social hierarchies) The term is completely innocuous unless you don't believe in these racial power dynamics, in which case your issue should be with the philosophy behind the word and not the word itself.

and what about the other historically distrusted minorities? are jews people of color? are slavic immigrants? where do you draw this handicapped line?
My understanding of white supremacy is that they consider Jews and people of color two different groups that conspire to genocide them in different ways? Or something like that?
People of color isn't meant to be a 100% catch-all of "historically distrusted minorities".

it just pisses me off and saddens me that we've literally regressed to using an ignorant and tribal term for the sake of political correctness. and i'm not a whiney whitey. remember, i count as a PoC
I don't think it's ignorant or tribal, nor do I think it functions for "political correctness". Its main use is for brown townysis of racial power dynamics, no one is obligated to say it instead of "non-white" or something more specific like "Cuban".

I found an interesting NPR article about the term. Here's a quote from the end:
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"People of color explicitly suggests a social relationship among racial and ethnic minority groups. ... [It is] is a term most often used outside of traditional academic circles, often infused by activist frameworks, but it is slowly replacing terms such as racial and ethnic minorities. ... In the United States in particular, there is a trajectory to the term — from more derogatory terms such as Broes, to colored, to people of color. ... People of color is, however it is viewed, a political term, but it is also a term that allows for a more complex set of identity for the individual — a relational one that is in constant flux."

The words majority and minority correlate with white and not white in most of the Western world, though, so I don't see why we need "POC" to replace that. Majority and minority aren't tribal and are even more flexible since you can use them in countries where white people are the minority or are being persecuted or something.
Those words aren't fitting though. There are countries like South Africa where white people are statistically a minority but still hold lots of the structural power.

2. i agree that race is still relevant, if only as a result of historical racism. the way i see it, we've created a deep, culturally ingrained class issue out of a historical racial issue- if a broke black detroitian gets the education he needs, he could absolutely rise above and become the last working-class generation of his family (save money-> get kids college fund-> son becomes engineer, daughter becomes medical doctor, etc)
I don't think structural racism is over and I don't think a black man making $70k has access to the same opportunities as a white man making $70k, yfm?

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: September 12, 2017, 05:30:25 PM »
Yawn. Another demand for a Liberal Certified™ source. Let me just round up all my credible sourc- oh wait, they were all assassinated shot in the back during "botched robberies". You have to admit, it's a good play, too bad it didn't win you the election.
Asking for a "baseline level of credibility" is not the same as asking for a "Liberal Certified™ source". You can show me evidence from any source that has verifiable journalistic standards. You could also show me evidence from primary sources instead of evidence from news sources.

Unfortunately the explanation takes more than 5 seconds so I doubt you ever will.
I had a whole argument about why comparing 5 seconds to 3 hours is loving idiotic but you didn't retort any of it.

rally is meming jsyk
Lots of people on the right have the all-too-familiar pattern of arguing in bad faith, and when someone calls them out they're "just trolling/joking/memeing", and when no one calls them out it can be mistaken for valuable rhetoric.

I suppose Rally should go in the same category as beachbum and Lord Tony, i.e. "do not interact".

when stuffposting reveals communism
Nothing you say after this point matters. You are a political parasite and nothing more.
i knew it
https://youtu.be/VsJc2ZhbXIg
This has been public knowledge for a while.

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Off Topic / Re: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: September 12, 2017, 01:12:53 AM »
I miss the part of the thread where we made fun of Corderlain. Can we just do that again

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