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Off Topic / Re: [noose] transgenders not allowed in military
« on: July 26, 2017, 05:47:53 PM »
Hey man (sorry if I just mis-gendered you), wherever you gotta move them goal posts to include permanently obliterating certain natural processes of the body and not your liberal-protected ones. The GMOs must've really done a number on y'all.
"Did you get your wisdom teeth removed? Why would you obstruct that totally natural process? It's absolutely barbaric!"

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Off Topic / Re: [noose] transgenders not allowed in military
« on: July 26, 2017, 05:45:52 PM »
In what way are you disabled if you're an amputee? If you're wearing long pants and you didn't show anybody, no one would know - not only that but you can get a prosthetic leg so you can still walk.

Is this what the conditioning seriously gets people to say? forget me. We're really not far off from normalizing BIID aren't we
Well the obvious effect is that you'd be wheelchair-bound or forced to use a prosthetic leg. Prosthetic legs are not 1:1 perfect solutions for having a missing limb. They offer limited mobility and they don't have nerve endings.

Having kids is something you may or may not do in your entire lifetime, and if you do you're not likely to have more than three. Undergoing a love change doesn't make it impossible for you to still have kids, it just makes it a bit more logistically involved. Having limited mobility is something that effects how you move for the rest of your life.

I don't know what you mean by "conditioning". Is it the fluoride in the water or something? Chemtrails? Do pray tell.

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Off Topic / Re: [noose] transgenders not allowed in military
« on: July 26, 2017, 05:31:14 PM »
< muh cosmetic surgery
Yeah if only you could actually compare completely destroying natural processes of the body to straightening a nose by a couple degrees, your argument would be so easy to make. Cool 6 gorrilion years of Certified Liberal research bro
In what way are you disabled if you're trans? If you're infertile and you told no one, no one would know - not only that but you can have your sperm or eggs stored so that you can still have biological kids later.

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Off Topic / Re: [noose] transgenders not allowed in military
« on: July 26, 2017, 05:22:59 PM »
Gender dysphoria is indeed a mental illness, and it is indeed a prerequisite for being trans. I really don't get why people feel the need to go the extra mile and try to say otherwise. Either you have a legitimate mental illness that can be cured through love change therapy/surgery, or you're just loving around and think being a tomboy means you're nonbinary or some other bullstuff.
I do disagree that you need dysphoria to be trans, but even if that were true, many legitimately trans people transition in different ways - some go all the way and do HRT and love change surgery, some just do hormones or only some surgery, and some simply use clothes/makeup. Obviously not all of these cost as much as cosmetic surgery and hormone therapy, but even the most expensive option isn't prohibitively expensive.

Here's the criteria for gender dysphoria from the DSM-V:

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In adolescents and adults gender dysphoria diagnosis involves a difference between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, and significant distress or problems functioning. It lasts at least six months and is shown by at least two of the following:

A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary love characteristics
A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary love characteristics
A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary love characteristics of the other gender
A strong desire to be of the other gender
A strong desire to be treated as the other gender
A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender

If you live in an environment where you feel safe/fit in despite your atypical gender identity/expression, would you have a reason to feel significant distress about transitioning?

This is corroborated by the American Psychological Association: (under "Is being transgender a mental disorder?")
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A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.

If you look at the chart, you will see that psychologists are basically glorified high-school dropouts; they are right next to elementary education majors. I'm glad they left the REAL science for the smarter ones.
If you knew anything about psychology you'd understand that IQ is not a reliable indicator of intelligence. Regardless of how well psychology majors can do abstract logic problems or whatever, psychology is a science, performed with adherence to the scientific method.

< Blinding yourself with drain cleaner because you identify as a blind person is a clear indication of mental illness
< Amputating yourself by injecting turds into your knees because you identify as an amputee is a clear indication of mental illness
< Cutting your richard and balls off because you identity as a(n) ??????? is totally fine and completely normal


Why is it that the only thing all these LGBTQ folk have in common is that none of them can breed? (spoiler: eugenics)
If you don't see the difference between heedlessly mutilating yourself and undergoing a cosmetic surgery which has been regarded as one of the best means of treatment after 50 years of research, I don't think there's a point in arguing

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Off Topic / Re: [noose] transgenders not allowed in military
« on: July 26, 2017, 04:40:44 PM »
get out of here with your reason and logic

I love you for these posts
Thanks, that means a lot. Being an SJW feminational socialist libtard on this forum can feel pretty isolating.

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Off Topic / Re: [noose] transgenders not allowed in military
« on: July 26, 2017, 04:35:50 PM »
Some thoughts:

As far as I know pregnant women are accommodated in the military. Trans people have a similar timeframe where they wouldn't be able to be in active duty while transitioning, so I don't think the excuse of "it takes too long to transition" is a valid argument.

Even the most liberal estimates of medical costs for medical care for trans soldiers put the total cost at $8.4 million -  a drop in the bucket when you consider the total cost of military healthcare is $6.2 BILLION dollars. The military has spent $1.4 TRILLION on the F35 alone, and they spend 10x as much on Viagra as they would for medical care for people who dedicate their time and energy towards protecting and serving America. To me this issue is reminiscent of Annoying Orange's defunding of public arts and public television programs, in that the actual money being spent is very little.

The question of what happens to already enlisted trans people hasn't been handled well either -
 supposedly there's no word on that yet. It would be loving disgusting if already enlisted trans people were discharged in such a way that they didn't have access to the benefits of the GI bill / veteran benefits despite their already completed service.

Also being transgender is not a mental illness as I've probably said a million times on this forum. Gender dysphoria may or may not be considered a mental illness but its not a prerequisite for being trans.

To me it seems like this is a political move. The kind of voters that Democrats need to sway in the 2018 election aren't necessarily comfortable with LGBT people and Annoying Orange would probably rather have the discussion be about things like this when the next two elections occur.

TRUE dont-ask-dont-tell would be true equality.
its when we feel the need to label and assign different rules to different people that it doesn't work in the military.

the moment you mention your feelings or personality preferences, you are a burden and useless.
talk about your girl/boyfriend and your genitals in your own loving time.
AFAIK under DADT you would be discharged if the fact that you were gay even slipped out. I hope you mean "true DADT" as in "literally no one cares whether you're gay, not even the system". Unless you buy into that bullstuff that being gay breaks group cohesion or something like that.

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Just because family values/loveism is demonstrated by some Muslims does not mean xenophobia against them is justified.

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Ultima are you seriously defending this dude? He's been drama'd multiple times in the past few months. Open your eyes.
i try to stay away from political threads nowadays so maybe im just not seeing any of his posts :iceCream:

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why can't we dislike him for political reasons
I mean you can, but again, if its just for political reasons you probably shouldn't drama them for it.

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he's an insulting ass that argues forever with people he doesnt agree with and has a long furtive sense of humor since he refuses to detect jokes he disagrees with
>insulting
Lots of people on the forum are like this. Does he insult people who couldn't be consider deserving of that?

>argues forever with people he doesnt agree with
Why is this bad? If youre like the only leftist on the forum its probably good that you defend yourself fully instead of leaving arguments unanswered.

>has a long furtive sense of humor since he refuses to detect jokes he disagrees with
I don't know what this means

I didn't realize not supporting murder and terrorism was a politically charged viewpoint, but shame on me for overestimating the moral integrity of a liberal
I'm glad to accept that the reason you don't like him is his support of the IRA. I'd have to read up on the Troubles for that to convince me of anything though, which is why I'm asking for a nonpolitical reason.

hes pretty annoying with his views

its like badpost's (or nal)? posts in INH's brick pack thread, they're pretty insensitive, short sighted, and one sided posts that any reasonable person would realize would trigger someone to be annoyed

the fact its political makes it more annoying, but its not cause of that this drama was made. im sure seventhsandwich has peeved people here before over politics but he never pushed it like leisuresuit did
I feel like I feel politically antagonized all the time here though, and only now that someone is doing it in the other direction is it something worth discussing?

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Yeah the point is that you're unironically shilling for some obnoxious friend that supports murdering children with carbombs because he's on your side of political spectrum *sips tea*
im legitimately trying to understand where people in this thread are coming from - show me a reason you dont like him besides his political views. i dont know him at all and i have no investment in people respecting him.

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Off Topic / Re: Redneck Revolt: Communist Rednecks
« on: July 20, 2017, 10:28:20 PM »
That belief is exactly what does them in. If they stand for the underdog, then they have to repeatedly figure out who the underdog is in every scenario. Sure, poor people are in a low spot, but black people are marginalized systematically!!11!111! so they're the underdog and not the white poor people, they have inherent privilege and are tribal by default!!!1!1!!11!

i think the problem is more to do with how centrist democrats are compared to the past/the center-left in other countries. there is currently not much focus on economic leftism in the democratic party (although bernie pushed them left somewhat)

it feels to me like the right was effective in convincing the white working class that their problems and problems worth discussing are being caused by immigrants / people of color / feminists / etc

furthermore the democratic party has really hesitated to actually have stances on stuff because they don't want to alienate potential voters that are formerly republican or otherwise confused about social issues, and so they come off as very bland, unprincipled, and wishy-washy


Want a better example? Leftists support gays, lesbians, transgenderqueernormativenonc onformativemcgoos. A terrorist attack happens. Immediately rush to support Muslims, whose religion is markedly homophobic, even by standards set by Christianity. In Islamic countries, they will throw you off the roof of a skyscraper for being gay. Whether they like to admit it or not, it throws gays under the bus, which is why you have all the Milo Yiannopoulos's.

ill just say its because as a leftist islamophobia seems just like a veil for racism. you can still be critical of islam while not supporting the actions of muslim theocracies. also the terrifying scourge of muslim immigrants / refugees is largely overblown and not an actual issue, its just xenophobia rearing its ugly old head for the 300th time in history.

It's a belief system that basically sets groups up to be dumped later on. It's why they keep losing, and it's why people are better off just getting a system of values that stands for everyone rather than just a few people.

i dont really buy the idea that democrats are having trouble picking "one underdog" - the narrative among the left is that there are multiple axises on which you can be underprivileged (economic status, race, gender, loveuality, etc) and theres not really a way to compare "oppression"
 between them (as in theres no telling whether being gay is worse than being black, and its a pointless question anyway)

i think you may be confusing liberals' neglect of considering economic status as an actual way to be oppressed as them being unable to focus on more than one issue at once


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are you ignoring his stuffty posts because he's one of the two other hard leftists on this forum
are you talking about his like low effort insults/jokes? does that warrant being mad at him? im actually trying to figure out what youre talking about

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Replace it with whatever the applicable snowflake identity terminology this week is
so im just a blatant pragmatist socialist? thats not that harsh

better dead than red 
:panda: fugg

browsing through his recent posts is a good start
i read through the last 5 pages. you're going to have to be more specific about how he's being "autistic"

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Off Topic / Re: socialism thread
« on: July 20, 2017, 09:59:09 PM »
i love 🅱️ommunism

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