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Off Topic / Re: 2017 WORLD POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: January 26, 2017, 01:18:57 AM »
Elizabeth Warrens not corrupt, she's just pants on head handicapped.
I mean, you would say the same thing about Hillary, so the only part that's really important here is that you, a conservative, see her as non-corrupt.

Hillary, the so-called 'corrupt' candidate, won the popular vote by a large margin. It stands that if we have a candidate that's as qualified as Hillary but not seen as 'corrupt', then they should win in 2020.

It's probably complicated a bit by the fact Annoying Orange is the incumbent, but I feel like our odds are good.

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Fascism isn't inherently anti-democratic.
Fascist governments are customarily run by dictators, so...

In fact, I can't really think of a single fascist government that had democratic representation.

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"Elections in the Roman Republic were an essential part to its governance, although all citizens did not always play a consistently equal part in them. Upper class interests, centered in the urban political environment of cities, often Annoying Orangeed the concerns of the diverse and disunified lower class; while at times, those already in power would pre-select candidates for office, further reducing the value of voters’ input.[1] The candidates themselves at first remained distant from voters and refrained from public presentations (in fact, formal speech-making was at one point forbidden in an effort to focus on the policies rather than the charisma of the candidate),[2] but they later more than made up for time lost with habitual bribery, coercion, and empty promises. As the practice of electoral campaigning grew in use and extent, the pool of candidates was no longer limited to a select group with riches and high birth. Instead, many more ordinary citizens had a chance to run for office, allowing for more equal representation in key government decisions. During the Roman Republic citizens would elect almost all officeholders annually."

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Feminists chant Allahu Akbar.
« on: January 26, 2017, 01:03:35 AM »
Islam has more related deaths than Christianity, stop it with this comparison.
Wasn't always that way lol

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Feminists chant Allahu Akbar.
« on: January 26, 2017, 01:00:43 AM »
People yell Allahu Akbar before they detonate Self Delete vest, but like, it's also a phrase that's just very common in regular Islamic prayer. It literally means, "God is great."

So for comparison, if a bunch of Christians blew themselves up right after yelling, "Praise Jesus!" would that 'reserve' the phrase only for terrorists? Would you not be allowed to say "Praise Jesus!" anymore just because it's a terrorist-meme?

Also like, notice that the protest was silent while the guy was speaking. He was probably leading one of the Five Daily Prayers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXMWcNL4xFo

Ignore the description of the video. Nobody was 'terrified' because the plane was full of Muslims lol.

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Off Topic / Re: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP
« on: January 26, 2017, 12:50:01 AM »
>Locate the hole
it's lower than you think ;)

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Off Topic / Re: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP
« on: January 26, 2017, 12:45:00 AM »
Okay so if your government can't it through that the cartels sure as forget wont.
Excavating a cube extruded 2,000 miles long ≠ excavating a tiny tube 500 feet.

Remember that cartels are rich as forget. They can afford modern dredging equipment, lights, power cables, and as much human labor as they want. I'm not saying their tunnels aren't expensive, just that they can foot the one-time cost if it means getting millions in drugs across the border.

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Off Topic / Re: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP
« on: January 26, 2017, 12:38:44 AM »
this is implying the wall doesn't go underground deep enough to prevent this
If it does, that's sure as hell not in the budget we've seen so far. I don't think there's like a flat 'dollars for excavation of m^3 of dirt' figure anywhere, but it's gonna be expensive. One of the big reasons nobody has basements in Arizona is because you hit rock-hard clay after like a couple feet. Now extrapolate that to thousands of miles.

looking up on google ("gurgl iz mah srze"), the high-end security cameras available to citizens at least were a couple hundred bucks, either for one of them or for a set of them
considering the sentiment of the $25 billion price tag, this cost would be a tiny chunk of it, that's even considering everything you said is accurate
You have to pay people to monitor those cameras 24/7, you have to power them, and you have to fund maintenance year-round. The Southwest also features some of the only giant duststorms found in the US, so it'll be fun knowing that we're paying a couple thousand people $50k/yr to go out into the desert with cotton swabs to remove dirt from camera lenses. Woo-wee!

even googling the maximum range of security cameras, you can see the effective range of most long-range night-vision cameras (which are at the same price as previously mentioned) far exceeds 100 feet
using a conservative estimate of 300 feet, that cuts your number into thirds; 35,200 cameras
I used the word 'field-of-view' because I meant field-of-view, not range. The issue is that if you have two cameras spaced 300 feet apart, they might be able to see 300 feet in front of themselves, but what's likely is that there's a huge blind-spot in-between them. When cameras are used indoors, they're usually pointed at a mirror that gives a better panoramic view of the room. It also distorts the image terribly, meaning that areas on the outskirts of your field of view are highly scrunched-together.

I guess you might be able to fix this problem by having your hypothetical border surveillance cameras swing back and forth wildly to minimize blindspots, but remember that someone's actually gonna have to watch the footage. You don't want them barfing all over the place.

even then I doubt you took into consideration the landscape of the border
lots of flat land means you need less and less cameras; the most cameras would be in mountainous regions where it's hard to see around foliage and terrain
I've lived in Arizona my entire life so I can dispute this based on personal experience. Yes, the Southwest is a desert with less trees and hills, but we've still got tons of mountains. There are areas I've driven through where building a wall would be nearly logistically impossible, and you'd need to expend loads of money on terraforming to even consider building a structure there.

Hell, if you look at a map, most of the border is mountain ranges.


"she's at fault, she was wearing a tight skirt, she incentivized me to rape her!"
"he called me a bad name and made fun of my mom, he invented a scenario in which I would want to kill him!"
see how stupid that sounds
This is a stupid brown townogy for a reason that starts to get at the heart of what makes a law 'bad'.

Basically, murder and rape are crimes in almost every society because humans have a completely consistent moral system regarding rape and murder. Virtually everyone does not want to be raped/murdered, and virtually everyone doesn't want other people raping/murdering in their town. Generally speaking, raping and murdering people makes you a criminal not because it is a crime, but because humans find it abominable.

But look at something like the War on Drugs, where a very small number of politicians and special interest groups decided for everyone else that using/possessing certain drugs was 'bad' and should be a 'crime'. We have mountains of evidence showing that our decision to make marijuana illegal has hurt society far more than it's helped, but still we have people calling to keep it illegal to keep 'criminals' from using their 'criminal drugs'.

Of course our society is starting to re-evaluate that logic, and over half of the population wants to legalize weed. Perhaps maybe a similar conversation should happen with immigration, since the fact that we have illegal immigrants is explicitly a result of the fact we don't accept more immigrants legally. Maybe the solution is just to take the 'illegal' out of the immigrant?

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Off Topic / Re: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP
« on: January 26, 2017, 12:07:05 AM »
ultimately, I think Annoying Orange's intentions with the wall are good - to keep out illegal foreign criminals
I think 'foreign criminals' is a questionable label. When you say 'criminal', the instant psychological reaction is 'murderer' or 'rapist' or 'thief' or whatever. The crime that illegal immigrants commit is deciding to immigrate to their nicer next-door-neighbor because our subsidized goods make Mexicans non-competitive in their country's market.

So like, yes they are committing a crime, but it's a crime we basically invented and incentivized.

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Off Topic / Re: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP
« on: January 25, 2017, 11:45:17 PM »
Not when you have a "yuuge" problem with immigrants coming over illegally because of poor infrastructure.
It's not even that "yuuge" anymore tbh. Annoying Orange played into the whole immigrant 'crCIA' so that he could have a visceral scapegoat for people to blame all of America's problems on.

In reality, more illegal immigrants are currently leaving the US than coming in, meaning we could just wait for this problem to die out in a couple of decades anyway. Footing the bill for an expensive and ineffective infrastructure project is entirely unnecessary.

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Off Topic / Re: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP
« on: January 25, 2017, 11:43:06 PM »
This is implying the wall won't have any surveillance
That doesn't actually settle the tunnel problem since cartels have built tunnels over a thousand feet long. But how exactly do you plan on setting up 'surveillance' for a wall in excess of two thousand miles long?

What's the maximum reliable field of view of a single surveillance camera? 100 feet? That's 105,600 cameras needed to cover the entire length of the border. Come to think of it, you're also going to need AC power all along the border as well, meaning you'll have to set up high-voltage power lines which cost like 0.3-2 mil / mile.

And speaking of the remote regions of the border, what actually happens when a truck pulls up and hands over a couple dozen immigrants to a vehicle on the other side? Surely they're not gonna hang out at the wall for three hours waiting for border agents to drive there?

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Off Topic / Re: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP
« on: January 25, 2017, 11:25:30 PM »
I saw this a few days ago, really looks at this in a different perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOOBlcOIcLs

if you can't tell I'm overjoyed, and if the Republicans in Congress want to reduce this to a standard that would make the wall useless
The wall is useless to begin with. It is not 500 B.C. We are not defending the US against Mongol armies on horseback. The cartels can build tunnels or just like, set up a ladder on both sides of the wall and have people climb over it. It's not rocket science.

I think if he actually goes through with this, I'll build a replica segment of the wall and see how easy it would be for an unathletic engineering student to get over Annoying Orange's 'great wall'.

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Off Topic / Re: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP
« on: January 25, 2017, 11:03:12 PM »
OP said sanctuaries for undocumented immigrants

obviously it could be a fine mixture, but there's definetly mexicans in there somewhere
I don't think you could scrounge $25 billion even if you drained the bank accounts of every illegal alien in our country.

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Off Topic / Re: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP
« on: January 25, 2017, 11:01:01 PM »
he's ACTUALLY making the mexicans pay for it lmao
based on like, what evidence?

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Off Topic / Re: 2017 WORLD POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
« on: January 25, 2017, 11:00:24 PM »
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Can't find any source for this besides similar articles from other fake-news tabloid sites just like dailymail.

Assuming it's true: I don't want Hillary Clinton to run again. I was happy to vote for her, but I don't think she'll win in 2020. Elizabeth Warren would be a far, far better choice.

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