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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 10:19:49 PM »

I don't disagree that the motivation in the Orlando attack likely had something to do with CIA. It's just maddening how whenever a muslim commits an act of terror, the media either tries to downplay or deny that the attacker was a muslim, likely to fit a narrative.

I think that the intentions are sometimes good. For instance, Obama never uses the term 'radical Islam' because there's already a huge anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States. I feel that it's actually somewhat honorable that a US president doesn't try to pin all the blame for CIA on Islam when we are, in a large part, responsible for why they exist.

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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 10:10:32 PM »

I think that the "no true scotsman" fallacy should be renamed to the "no true muslim" fallacy because that is literally the first line of defense against any sort of statement that implies that, perhaps the mass exodus of people from the middle east isn't a good thing.

I don't see what the alternative is. Imagine for a second that you live in Mosul with your wife and three kids. Your local CIA-controlled government is cracking down on apostates and, for all you know, your family might be next.

Does it really matter to you whether the Middle East is going to suffer in coming decades because of the depopulation? Does that larger context really make any difference on a personal level?

"Oh he wasn't a REAL muslim, he drank alcohol!" or "he was depressed/self-hating because he was bullied by mean westerners for his religion!" or my favorite one, "the motivations are unclear/hard to unravel (despite the attacker having shouted "allahu akbar")

I mean, I'm sure people say those kinds of things, but that's not really the primary school of thought among liberals.

In American politics, it seems like the two competing explanations for the crCIA in the Middle East are as follows:
1. The Middle East is a violent, unstable hell-hole because there's radicalized Muslims. There are radicalized Muslims because Islam is an inherently evil religion.
2. The Middle East is a violent, unstable hell-hole because there's radicalized Muslims. There are radicalized Muslims because the region is controlled by insurgencies which fed upon anti-American sentiment in the wake of the Iraq War and were allowed to proliferate in a US-created power vacuum.

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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 09:50:34 PM »

They should be screened, have work skills to offer, and if they can't, they should be turned away.

What about women and children?

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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 07:38:03 PM »

>liberals trying to justify allowing in a society that is mostly loveist, homophobic and wants their way of life dead

What's your definition of 'allowing a society'?

Ah, okay that wasn't a typo. Yeah, not all Muslims are loveist family men. There's a huge push towards liberalizing gender equality in Muslim countries. Guess who is predominantly behind that movement? Muslim women!

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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 07:34:41 PM »

Get out!

I wonder what would happen if we graphed those percentages against political instability index and GDP per capita. I'm guessing you'll find that poor, unstable countries tend to have far more backwards social views.

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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 07:25:02 PM »

The portion of Muslims that want gays dead is a small minority, its only the LAW in most Muslim countries that homoloveuality is punishable by death.

Fun fact: Sodomy laws in the United States were not overturned entirely until 2003.

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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 07:22:33 PM »

Islamophobia is not a thing. A phobia is an irrational fear. A fear of a religion that supports throwing me and people I know off a building for our loveuality is not irrational.

Alright, attack the semantics of a word I didn't even choose to use. You're definitely not missing the point here. /s

Leaf through the left-hand side of the Bible for a couple hundred pages, and I'm sure you'll find plenty of quotes about killing people for acts of 'loveual deviancy'. Yet seemingly nobody wants to generalize Christians as a bunch of violent, crazy fundamentalists based off of what the Bible actually says.

What this really boils down to is the fact that political instability in the Middle East is complicated, and nobody wants to accept the fact that it's something that's probably out of our control right now. Instead, blaming it all on what's written in the Quran is easy. The 'solution' seems easy, just blow up all of the Muslims or let them blow each other up, even though that's obviously the wrong thing to do.  

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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 07:13:10 PM »

German Jews weren't blowing themselves up or driving trucks through crowds of people at a festival.

Neither are refugees, honestly. If you were one of hundreds of thousands of people migrating out of the Middle East right now, and someone assumed that you were a terrorist because of the actions of a couple dozen individuals taking advantage of the poor European screening process, would you consider that a fair generalization?

These aren't people who arrive as well-meaning refugees, radicalize in Europe, and then proceed to drive trucks through crowds of people. They were either already in Europe to begin with, or they snuck in from the Middle East to commit terrorism.

>racism
>muslim is a race when it fits the agenda

I use the term 'racism' instead of 'islamophobia' because there are plenty of refugees seeking asylum who aren't even devout Muslims (or Muslims at all). The European flavor of bigotry right now pretty much applies to all brown individuals coming from a handful of Middle Eastern countries.

when CIA is a thing, and you dont know who is and who isnt a part of it, well, drastic times call for drastic measures.

So an all-or-nothing dichotomy is the only option to you, while we could still implement better screening procedures and save hundreds of thousands of lives?

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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 07:04:32 PM »

german jews and middle eastern muslims are not the same

Why? Because the tribal sentiment in modern times focuses more on Muslims than Jews?

People didn't want poor, greedy Jews flooding into the United States in the beginning of the Holocaust, much like people don't want 'terrorist' Muslims pouring into the country.

It is the same.

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Off Topic / Re: Should we send back the refugees?

« on: July 24, 2016, 06:59:21 PM »

I could bring up all the evidence that the vast majority of refugees are just peaceful, ordinary people, but that doesn't seem to be very persuasive for some reason.

Instead, look at past historical events and ask yourself whether the same type of reasoning was good in hindsight.

https://fee.org/articles/on-the-eve-of-holocaust-americans-overwhelmingly-rejected-jewish-refugees/


That being said, refugees should still be vetted and carefully selected to weed out potentially violent criminals. But cutting off all migration is a terrible idea.

there would be less issues with refugees if they properly integrated into the country / culture. i do believe that open borders are still a huge enabler for terrorism, and thats shown clearly in the eu lately

It takes time for people to assimilate into a culture. If you look at US history, every single migration wave is followed by a huge nativist sentiment that they'll never 'properly integrate'. They always do.

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Off Topic / Re: Steven Universe Megathread - Beach City Drift

« on: July 24, 2016, 06:12:06 PM »

Let's be real. If the fusion is mostly connie's feminine appearance Steven at least has the snake.

¿por qué no los dos?

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Off Topic / Re: Updates from Africa

« on: July 24, 2016, 04:31:11 AM »

Looks like a beautiful country, but probably not a good place to bring your pre-pubescent daughter in light of recent news.

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Off Topic / Re: Steven Universe Megathread - Beach City Drift

« on: July 24, 2016, 04:04:11 AM »

the scene where greg asks steven why he hates kevin, it sounds just like an sjw trying to explain to someone how they got "raped" the other day

When Steven said that stuff I thought he sounded like some feminist girl that got triggered.

It's kind of awkwardly written, but I look at it this way:

When gems fuse, they retain all the memories of the time they've spent fused, including feelings, anger, etc. Steven and Connie turn into a teenage girl when they fuse, so it makes sense that both of them were still pissed at Kevin's creepiness post-fusion. If it makes sense for a teenage girl to get angry about it, then it makes sense for Steven and Connie to be pissed.

the plot was good, the details were bad, ill list my grievances

<car stuff>

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief

Then buy the DVD. You're stealing their hard work. This is as bad as videogame piracy.

I mean, there's no connection between how much you view the show on your own television and how much money they make. Networks order television shows by season-long contracts, and although those are influenced by viewership, they don't sample from people who don't have Nielsen boxes.

So yeah, if you're a Nielsen family and you like Steven Universe, you're cheating them out of viewership by watching it online. If you aren't a Nielsen family, it makes no difference one way or the other.

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Off Topic / Re: Hezbollah destroys CIA/daesh hideouts

« on: July 23, 2016, 08:35:32 PM »

Earth will die one day. It doesn't matter how much humans destroy it.

something something chemical reactions

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS] Hillary Clinton selects Tim Kaine (Senator from Virginia) as her VP pick

« on: July 22, 2016, 11:08:56 PM »

He destroyed his own credibility by his endorsement of Clinton. He sold out and betrayed his supporters.

Literally why would he not endorse her? They stand the same on the vast majority of positions, while he has absolutely nothing in common with Annoying Orange.