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Drama / Re: The one time I legitimately try to play MERP

« on: July 08, 2016, 09:03:10 PM »

It was only a small forest u cigarettegit.

A baseplate covered in the default tree bricks is spam.

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Off Topic / Re: Political Compass thread v.1489

« on: July 08, 2016, 04:12:42 AM »

I respect the hierarchy of a government, I don't trust it for richard but so long as there's methods of petitioning the government and defending yourself from it, I'm okay with it having a large amount of control.

I mean, obviously you don't align with liberal social views, but what you're describing is definitely a leftist philosophy.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 03:41:06 AM »

It's not about stopping power. I'm pretty sure the standard police side-arm is the Glock 22 which in chambered in .40, military rifles have smaller calibers, and even though those rounds are traveling fast, a .40 at close range from a Glock will be much more devastating than a .22 LR out of an AR-15.

The advantage in the military rifle is accuracy, ability to suppress at range, and it's adaptability to a developing hostile situation. The average military rifle would not be useful in a scenario where you have to convince a jury that you didn't shoot an unarmed man in cold blood, because they are much larger and more difficult to operate than a handgun.

I'll take your word for it, since I'm not well-versed in the science of ballistics.

I'm not saying that I think we should approach traffic stops with massive automatic 7.62 rifles in the hip fire position, but I think it would be advantageous to the officer's safety to have it on scene rather than being required to wait for a special weapons team to arrive, and the weapon only be drawn when needed.

As I understand it, police officers do sometimes carry those kinds of weapons in their vehicles. If 'on the scene', means in the back of a police van and not pulled out in front of protestors, then I don't see any problem with it.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 5 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 03:34:39 AM »

It's loving simple, don't resist and follow orders from a police officer, if you do anything else it's your loving fault you inbred forgettard.

Or reach into your pocket, apparently. By the way, when did we decide that resisting arrest is a felony worthy of execution? I can think of plenty of other crimes that should take priority.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 5 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 03:29:56 AM »

Sorry sir that's not an option

Can I buy a vowel?

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 03:16:19 AM »

So what about the officers that died today? Do you disagree with the notion that having military grade equipment would have resulted in them still being alive?

That's something I'm not qualified to answer. I'd assume that roughly the same amount of officers would have died, considering that several of the attackers were allegedly 'sniping' them from high up. High-capacity rifles might have more stopping power than duty pistols, but they can't block bullets.

Personally I figure that the standard police side-arm is more deadly in a close-quarters street scenario than the average military rifle. A military rifle would mostly provide a tactical advantage in a defensive scenario, much like the one that occurred today in Dallas.

I figure the same. I don't consider myself much of a gun expert, but as I understand it, the difference in lethality between a pistol and a military rifle isn't actually that large.

The problem here though is the capacity for intimidation and mistakes. When you confront a bunch of people with military equipment, you instantly escalate the situation to a point where everyone feels as though they're about to get shot to death.

Violent protesters do not represent law abiding citizens, as far as I figure.

Here's the thing though, I don't actually have a problem with officers arriving in military equipment to a riot where people are already being violent. It's just completely inappropriate to show up to a peaceful protest as if you're about to mow down a crowd of people. Like, for example, the national guard soldiers that showed up to the protests at Kent State.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 03:02:58 AM »

Well what should they do when a scenario escalates to a lethal confrontation?

Perhaps use their duty pistols or call in the SWAT team? Not confront protestors with riot shields and high-capacity rifles straight off the bat.

I don't see how military tier training is going to result in less death over keeping them ignorant.

When most people refer to the 'militarization of police', they're talking about the emphasis on use of lethal force and deadlier weaponry, not better combat training. Training is fine in my book and doesn't reflect the problems associated with a militarized police force.

I prioritize the safety of the officer above the protester, because the officer represents the citizen.

So just so we're clear here- protestors are not citizens?

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 02:46:36 AM »

How is increasing police tactical knowledge and giving them more versatile gear going to increase violence during traffic stops and peaceful protests?

The same way it did at Kent State. Focusing on lethal force rather than de-escalation is essentially at the root of the police brutality.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 02:42:09 AM »

Does further training in marksmanship and target identification not count as "militarization of police"?

Sure, but so does further use of military equipment for stuff like routine traffic stops and handling peaceful protests. The potential for further deaths easily outweighs the benefits.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 02:36:33 AM »

Yea but they attacked the ng

Tell that to the 50% of the people murdered who were just walking to class.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 02:23:49 AM »

An equal amount of cops died today and more were injured so this is a worse tragedy. It should be the belligerents receiving casualties.

I don't follow your logic. Care to rephrase what you're saying here?

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 02:17:00 AM »

Well I don't think the NG just opened up on random civilians.

Doesn't matter. It's viewed pretty much incontrovertibly as an awful tragedy and you're the one advocating for more of it. Next time crack open a history book before you accidentally ask for more innocent people to get killed.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 02:14:09 AM »

I was under the impression that the militarization of police implied the use of military equipment and tactics by law enforcement officers. Not shooting random civilians? I'm not sure if anyone is in support of that.

You're asking if anyone is in support of law enforcement officers shooting random civilians?

You must have a pretty bad memory. You were supporting just that only a short time ago.

We need Kent State again on a massive scale.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 02:06:17 AM »

literally proof that BLM itself is tribal, the forget is wrong with these people.

I mean, 'BLM' isn't an actual organization. The person in that picture is obviously tribal, but throwing out the slogan 'Black Lives Matter!' doesn't automatically group you in with this guy that likes to see cops get killed.

You can kill someone by throwing a rock at them so yeah they should be shot at

The thing I don't understand about this particular brand of stupidity you're spouting is that militarized police is an inherently non-conservative belief. Giving police carte blanche to shoot whoever they want means that the central government has even more power to do stuff like take your guns. It's so funny how you guys are just so tribal that it Annoying Oranges your own established beliefs.

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Off Topic / Re: [NEWS]War zone in Dallas, 11 cops shot during protest, 4 dead. suspects escaped

« on: July 08, 2016, 01:50:31 AM »

I'm 100% for the militarization of police. We need Kent State again on a massive scale.

Multiple people killed in the Kent State shootings were non-protestor students going to their classes.

I don't know if you're trolling or not, but I've heard similar things before so I'm assuming this is authentic stupidity.