Author Topic: My generally grumpy review on Saitek products and a general PSA against them  (Read 3126 times)

Ok. Flash back to 2006.



Along with Flight Simulator 2004 I got this Logitech Attack 3 for $19.99. It was the cheapest stick I could find.  This stick INTRODUCED me to flight simming. It's spring tension was ideal, it felt solid, came with a little throttle wheel and plenty of buttons.

Up until 2012 I have been using this stick as my primary. Here's where it gets stuffty.

Fast foward to 2008. I ask my parents for the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke System (I wanted to fly Cessnas and stuff, and the yoke looked realistic). My parents couldn't afford the pricy $250 so they bought me this abomination:



The Saitek Aviator, stylized by Saitek as the "AVI8OR". It looked promising from the box I opened seeing as it had a starter switch, a twist system for the rudder, a bigger trigger and two semi-large throttle levers.

Upon plugging it in and flying around I was immediately dissapointed. The stick was sloppy, it was hard to fly with and felt plasticky and cheap. The feet it stood on had such a short base to them so when I banked hard the stick would lift off my desk.

The only reason I kept it was because of the rudder control. My Logi Attack 3 didn't have that, so I had both plugged in but disabled everything on the Aviator except it's twist function. I needed some way to control the rudder.

Ok. More bad incoming. Fast forward to 2012.

My Attack 3 decides to quit. My PC no longer recognizes it and I'm heartbroken and joystick-less (Oh trust me, the Aviator died far before this. It basically snapped in half.). I'm once again in the market for a joystick, so I look to the appeal of this:



The Saitek X52 HOTAS system. It looked interesting as it had a separate one-handed throttle (like an F-16 or what have you), a twist throttle you could lock, and plenty of buttons on the top of the stick.

I had a little money from birthdays and inheritance, and this thing costed almost $150 so I said forget it and jumped on. Little did I know I would be so utterly disappointed again.

The whole entire thing was made of the cheapest possible plastic Saitek could find. It didn't clamp to the desk and because the tension on the throttle was so strong, trying to throttle up would result in me throwing my fist, and the throttle, into my computer monitor.

The stick was literally identical to the oh-so-horrid Aviator. It had the same spring, it felt terrible to fly, there was an unfathomable deadzone in the aileron/elevator axis, and this time even the rudder twist sucked.

However this time I was smarter and decided to return it from where I bought it. However, the place I bought it from didn't accept refunds.

I resorted to selling it for $120 on eBay, losing an extra $20 as punishment for my mistake.

Once again though, I needed a joystick. Badly. So I thought forget Saitek, I'm getting another Attack 3 (or something logitech made). I go to the nearest Best Buy and find this little guy:



It's the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, and would you look at that - It has a twist rudder! AND IT'S $22.99!! How could you go wrong?!

No, this is not the part where I say it's stuff and horrible. This is the part where I say it's everything I've ever dreamed of.

It felt BETTER than the Attack 3. It feels amazingly smooth and solid, I can throw my aircraft around, be it a Boeing 747 or an F/A-18 hornet. The twist function is fantastic and even the throttle has a big thumb lever on it! I couldn't have been happier and I still love this stick to this day.

Now one last mistake.

Fast forward to today. September 4th, 2013.

I'm employed, have been for months. I'm almost 20 years old working $11.50 an hour. I've got a nice income, so I've gone a little haywire with my PC setup when it comes to flight simulator X.



I'm still loving my little Extreme 3D pro. But, I have $1840 in my bank account and want to try one more thing.

I'm gonna buy that Saitek Pro Flight system. What could possibly go wrong?



As it turns out, everything. Again.

The stick is made purely of cheap, rattly plastic - EXCEPT for the yoke shaft, which is stainless steel. This is bad, very bad, because the plastic bushings that hold it in place are, well, plastic. Which means no lubrication allowed or you'll corrode the plastic to bits.

The throttle is advertised to be pretty big in that photo but I warn you it really isn't. It's loving tiny and the throttle handles feel like stuff. The clamp system on the whole configuration feels like it's going to snap at any moment too.

My biggest problem is the yoke's pitch axis (in and out). I cannot use the yoke at all without it getting stuck at some spots and then suddenly jerking forward. It's almost like the yoke gets stuck in place. This means if I try to pull up or push the plane down, the yoke gets stuck in some areas and I end up either stalling or nose-diving and spiralling out of control. It's horrable, it's noisy as forget and squeaks like crazy.

This was the biggest disappointment of all because I look back 7 years and remember how badly I wanted it and how I've wanted it ever since. This yoke turned out to be total garbage like the rest of Saitek's joysticks and I feel I have seriously learned my lesson about them. Luckly I can refund this yoke for full price from Best Buy and never look back.


Here's the scary thing though - if you look online people eat this stuff up. People ADORE the X52, the Pro Flight Yoke System, and the Aviator like crazy. Further googling reveals that so many people complain about the same issues I just listed but the reviews on websites say that these products fell from heaven itself. My only conclusion here is that Saitek's representatives have personally gone out and written the best reviews about the products when they really are all kinds of bad.



SO, TL;DR, Stay the forget away from Saitek products, mainly their flight joysticks. Go for Logitech, save your money, time and anger. Even CH products are presumably better. Thrustmaster is also fantastic, if you have the money their Warthog HOTAS system is loving amazing.In the world of budget, however, the Attack 3 is still being sold for $15 on Amazon and in many stores.

So if you feel like going and getting a copy of X-Plane or Flight Simulator, or maybe you want to fly better in Battlefield 3 or War Thunder, anything that involves flying - grab an Attack 3, or spend an extra $5 and grab the Extreme 3D Pro. Hell, if you want force feedback too, the Logitech Force 3D Pro is the same as the Extreme 3D but with Force Feedback. Mind you it's $99, but still cheaper than the X52 and the PFYS.



One more thing before I go pack up this yoke for refunding: The Attack 3 I bought years back isn't dead. Turns out I just had a faulty USB port. This thing still works wonders.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2013, 02:57:13 AM by MackTheHunter »

ive had that last joystick you mentioned since i was a wee bushido too actually

it's STILL forgetin invulnerable. i keep it on a shelf in my room just in case i ever need another joystick, and it's at least 10 years old now. i got it in like, 2001.

i have mistreated that thing since day one with robot arena 2 and here it is still working. it's like it's made of forgetin nintendium

I bought a steering wheel once, I don't remember the company who made it, but it was actually working fine on it's first few weeks, and then out of nowhere it started to be completely terrible to use, I've updated it's drivers and everything, still nothing, it was shaking all the time in-game and it was impossible to make it work.

Hopefully I will be able to buy a logitech one in the near future, I saw one unboxed in a store, it was just like a real steering wheel, I could spin it twice as much as the one I had, and it had a clutch and a lot better feeling instead of cheap plastic like mine was, I want it.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2013, 03:08:43 AM by Filipe »

okay, a few questions.
what exactly can joysticks like this be used for?
do they work the same way a mouse does?
what are the benefits, if any, against a mouse?

I don't understand why you bought it from the same, crappy company 3 loving times.

I don't understand why you bought it from the same, crappy company 3 loving times.

Label me dumb, but sometimes when you read good reviews you go for it. Turns out these reviews must have been written by Saitek reps.

okay, a few questions.
what exactly can joysticks like this be used for?
do they work the same way a mouse does?
what are the benefits, if any, against a mouse?

Flying games and flight simulators.

Using one of the logitech sticks, for example in Battlefield 3 flying jets, makes it much easier, far more realistic and more fluent than a mouse. Real aircraft (such as this F-15 Eagle, as seen in it's roosterpit) use a flight stick or "joystick" to fly the aircraft.

ive had that last joystick you mentioned since i was a wee bushido too actually

it's STILL forgetin invulnerable. i keep it on a shelf in my room just in case i ever need another joystick, and it's at least 10 years old now. i got it in like, 2001.

i have mistreated that thing since day one with robot arena 2 and here it is still working. it's like it's made of forgetin nintendium

It may be a 10 year old joystick but honestly mine will never give up.

You should write amazon reviews.

This is some classic stuff right here. Fool me once, shame on me. Buy more of the same products after learning the hardway? forget me twice.


I have the attack 3 or w/e. Its good.

Real aircraft such as this F-15 Eagle, as seen in it's roosterpit use a flight stick or "joystick" to fly the aircraft.

Nah man, everyone knows that fighter-jets are flown with keyboard and mouse. What are you, stupid?

On topic though, I bought the 3D Pro a year or so ago. Amazing bit of kit for the price, same as the Logitech speakers and 'woofer I bought a year or so ago for about £26. They provide amazing quality at an amazing price and their stuff just keeps on kicking for years and years.
Kinda crazy, actually. Maybe the founder of Logitech was visited by aliens and given instructions on how to produce cheap-ass, tough-as-nails plastics from the future or something.