Politics and the people in it!

[Tom Gunn]

Well they turned stuffhole post-WWI depressioned Germany into a world power, so maybe they got something right.

They were brilliant pulling Germany out of depression, they made it worse by taking territory. The system was very solid, but the people controlling the country was far from decent. Who rules the country matters, it's not the methods.

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[Dodger]

Thar, the Zeitgeist is stupid and could not even begin to take a hold in today's society.

Thats the problem with idealists, its easy to convince the masses to support these "Near-Perfect Future" ideals, but they are not as skillful in implementing these ideas in a realistic and effective manner. Try convincing the bourgeoisie and oil sultans in Saudi Arabia to give up their resources.

Also, it seems like I'm a supporter of utilitarianism.

[Swholli]

Thar, the Zeitgeist is stupid and could not even begin to take a hold in today's society.

Thats the problem with idealists, its easy to convince the masses to support these "Near-Perfect Future" ideals, but they are not as skillful in implementing these ideas in a realistic and effective manner. Try convincing the bourgeoisie and oil sultans in Saudi Arabia to give up their resources.

Also, it seems like I'm a supporter of utilitarianism.

And so by disagreeing with his statements and calling him on a false hope, that makes you any better than wanting to dream big?

Look. I agree with both of you, as I've already stated. His ideas are fantastic, but alas his ideology just isn't possible in today's society, or really any society based around the humans we live with. However, in the end of my post, I gave him examples of how I'd use his ideas to better the society we do live in without moving away from his core principals to making life a little better.

The biggest problem with our country, and any country for that matter, is that people are so willing to choose sides without providing any possible ideas for their own agenda. "Universal healthcare is stupid because Democrats are commies" without even mentioning their ideas on fixing an obviously broken system (denying that is just stupidity). However, on the other end: "Giving tax breaks to the rich is stupid because Republicans are all fat-cats" without proposing ways of actually creating jobs or incentives for the people who make more money to create the jobs, because in all honesty they do control the highest amount of possible employment (and denying that is just stupidity).

[Tom Gunn]

It just boils down to what is morals all in all. I get tired of this sometimes, one person thinks it's right, the other doesn't. Then you have a tiring needless argument that only gets people angry. What the heck is right and what the heck is wrong? Is it all just opinion?

[Kalphiter]

It just boils down to what is morals all in all. I get tired of this sometimes, one person thinks it's right, the other doesn't. Then you have a tiring needless argument that only gets people angry. What the heck is right and what the heck is wrong? Is it all just opinion?

Considering the fact that it is a moral value, with a wide variety of opinions, nullifies the illegality of gay marriage and prostitution.

[TheArmyGuy]

For some handicapped thing for Dutch we had to do a group speaking thing.
We had to make up our own politic party and discuss about it on what it's ideas are etc.
I hate politics now.

Also, add communist to the poll you discriminator.

[Swholli]

Also, add communist to the poll you discriminator.

That's not a party, it's an economical ideology.

There's a communist party, sure, but it doesn't actually make much sense.

It's about as stupid as the anarchist party.

[.::Taboo::.]

what the heck is this poll.

[Tom Gunn]

what the heck is this poll.

Exactly as you see it.

[DrenDran]

Where's green party?

[Tom Gunn]

Where's green party?

It's been there the whole time... 

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner and the bill for all comes to $100.
 
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
 
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing like they do now with the present income tax structure.
 
The fifth would pay $1.
 
The sixth would pay $3.
 
The seventh would pay $7.
 
The eighth would pay $12.
 
The ninth would pay $18.
 
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59 of the bill.
 
So that is what the ten men decide to do.
 
The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you all are such good customers I am going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20". Dinner for the 10 men now costs just $80...
 
The group still wanted to pay the bill the same way that they paid their taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six men -- the Paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everybody would get his "Fair Share"?
 
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to eat their meal…
 
So, the restaurant owner suggested it would be fair to reduce each mans bill roughly the same amount; and proceeded to work out the amounts each man would pay.
 
So, the restaurant owner suggested it would be fair to reduce each mans bill roughly the same amount; and proceeded to work out the amounts each man would pay.
 
The fifth, like the first four now paid nothing (100% savings).
 
The sixth man now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings)
 
The seventh man now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings)
 
The eight man now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings)
 
The ninth man now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings)
 
The tenth man now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings)
 
Each of the six was better off then before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings…
 
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man "but he got $10"…
 
"Yeah, that’s right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. Its unfair that he got ten times more than me!?"
 
"That’s true", shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
 
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploit’s the poor!"
 
The nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up…
 
The next night the Tenth man did not show up for dinner, so the Nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half the bill!
 
 And that Boys & Girls, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highes taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start eating overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier…

also, reaganomics ftw

[SeventhSandwich]

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also, reaganomics ftw

The seventh would pay $7.

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