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Oh because that makes the story more plausible.

There are some great books on the subject that meticulously detail exactly how, in theory, it could've been done.  And unlike yours, our theories are backed up by evidence.

There are some great books on the subject that meticulously detail exactly how, in theory, it could've been done.  And unlike yours, our theories are backed up by evidence.

lol

Books != evidence.

The boat would have to be bigger than anything made of wood could be.

lol

Books != evidence.

The boat would have to be bigger than anything made of wood could be.
Than how could you have any evidence? It just boils down to opinions, not facts.

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My point is that he acts like there's evidence for the flood because there are books that explain how it could happen.

That's not evidence. Peer reviewed scientific studies are evidence.

Provide him with evidence for anything that is not Biblical creation and he dismisses it because modern science is an atheist conspiracy. It's a pathetic state of denial.

god sure treated Abraham and Jacob pretty well. and they had like 4 wives each.
even appointed them his prophets to the jews.

it was Samuel 12 or something, god not only loved (whatever prophet he was talking to) so much and granted him 2 wives and 3 concubines, but went on in detail to grant him more.

and of course the bible contradicts itself a billion times. it was written by 1000 people that had basically no interaction with each other at all.


maybe your to use to your priest recycling that same newly written story over and over you forgot to study the actual word of god outside of a church.

there is a huge difference from god punishing someone, and the roman empire punishing someone. or the governor of the Jewish state punishing someone.
things in bible do not equal a quote from god.

I went back a few pages and saw this.

I have to say, the above statement is probably the most ignorant statement I have ever seen regarding the Bible.

god sure treated Abraham and Jacob pretty well. and they had like 4 wives each.
even appointed them his prophets to the jews.

God did treat them well, but he didn't give them wives.  They, of their own free will, went against God in getting themselves more than one wife, and God eventually punished them for it.

And by the way, Abraham and Jacob weren't prophets.  Way to go trying to pass off these ignorant quips you heard on the internet as fact.  I suggest you actually research your point before make it.

it was Samuel 12 or something, god not only loved (whatever prophet he was talking to) so much and granted him 2 wives and 3 concubines, but went on in detail to grant him more.

Nice, "Samuel 12 or something", I'm sure that's reliable research.  I'm not even going to bother looking up whether the passage says anything about having concubines or not, because even if it did, the same logic applies as above.  God didn't grant anyone multiple wives.  They, of their own free will, sinned in getting themselves concubines, and God eventually punished them.  By the way, the book of Samuel isn't about "some prophet", it's about the earliest kings of Israel, which once again proves your utter ignorance of what the Bible really says.

and of course the bible contradicts itself a billion times. it was written by 1000 people that had basically no interaction with each other at all.

It does not contradict itself once.  Show me at least single contradiction before you make wild statements like that.  Less than 45 people wrote it, not 1,000, and each were inspired by God to write the words they wrote, according to Christian doctrine.  If you would like to argue against your own straw man some more, do it somewhere else, not here.

maybe your to use to your priest recycling that same newly written story over and over you forgot to study the actual word of god outside of a church.

That's funny you should say that, because if you look at every one of the arguments you've brought up, they are untrue generalizations, almost as if you are simply recycling what you've heard from your "lolatheist" friends on the intarweb, and never actually studied it yourself.  Heh, funny how that works out.

there is a huge difference from god punishing someone, and the roman empire punishing someone. or the governor of the Jewish state punishing someone.

Not really.  One of the fundamental doctrines of Christianity is the concept of Providence, whereby God uses natural means to intervene in the world.  The Bible specifically talks about God using the Assyrians to punish Israel.  So, there is no difference, they are all "acts of God", miraculous or not.

lol

Books != evidence.

The boat would have to be bigger than anything made of wood could be.

lol

Biased Scientists Opinions != evidence

Besides the fact that plenty of wooden naval vessels have equaled or surpassed the measurements of the Ark according the Bible.  You're obviously just pulling stuff out of your butt to make yourself seem credible.
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My point is that he acts like there's evidence for the flood because there are books that explain how it could happen.

That's not evidence. Peer reviewed scientific studies are evidence.

Provide him with evidence for anything that is not Biblical creation and he dismisses it because modern science is an atheist conspiracy. It's a pathetic state of denial.

I said that there are books that provide theories, and archaeological studies have come up with plenty of evidence to back them up.  Not that the books themselves are evidence.  Way to go, straw man!  That's like saying peer reviewed science journals are evide-oh wait.  You really are that stupid?  My books aren't evidence but your books are?  Is anybody else seeing what an obvious double standard he has?

And, you still haven't provided me with one piece of evidence against Biblical Creation.  So, yeah.  Go on with your pathetic delusion here, I'll continue to be entertained.


I eagerly await your fuming and/or immature response.  Oh wait, no I don't, I'm going to go get something to eat with my friends, never mind.  Have fun on here!
« Last Edit: March 06, 2010, 05:00:58 PM by Duckmeister »

I agree with Duckmeister, the bible is awesome
Quote from: Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
Quote from: Matthew 19:29
And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
Quote from: Luke 12:42-8
That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
Quote from: Deuteronomy 21:20-21
They shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard. Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear.
Quote from: Luke 19:27
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.
Quote from: 2 Kings 2:23-24
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Quote from: Deuteronomy 13-13-19
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.

I agree with Amade! Let's destroy all towns with atheists in them.

EDIT Oh, another great one. This thing is a great moral guide.

Quote from: Ezekiel 9:5-7
Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2010, 05:24:01 PM by Wizard »

duck anyone that speaks to god at all is a prophet. that's the definition.
and when gods wants a person to go talk to others for him. that's him making them his prophet.

god had thousands of prophets up until humanity started educating itself. then for "some reason" god didn't have anything more to say for thousands of years.

and yes in my examples. its clearly states god GAVE them multiple wives and concubines.

Biased Scientists Opinions != evidence

Agreed, but their opinions don't constitute their science.

Besides the fact that plenty of wooden naval vessels have equaled or surpassed the measurements of the Ark according the Bible.  You're obviously just pulling stuff out of your butt to make yourself seem credible.
I said that there are books that provide theories, and archaeological studies have come up with plenty of evidence to back them up.  Not that the books themselves are evidence.  Way to go, straw man!  That's like saying peer reviewed science journals are evide-oh wait.  You really are that stupid?  My books aren't evidence but your books are?  Is anybody else seeing what an obvious double standard he has?

We're not. Their scientific journals have research backing them and have been peer reviewed and will be ripped apart if they're flawed. Your book won't be. And the measurements of the ark? Well it has to fit two of all of the 1.5 million species on the planet, plus food to last a few hundred days and some way to stop them from eating each other with 0 total deaths. Yeah, that's possible. And don't forget all the water dwellers, the massive increase in water pressure, decrease in salinity and changed wave patterns would kill them all too without some sort of noah's submarine or floating aquarium.

And, you still haven't provided me with one piece of evidence against Biblical Creation.  So, yeah.  Go on with your pathetic delusion here, I'll continue to be entertained.

We're not the ones with the burden of proof, suffice to say, crawl out from under that rock and look it up.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2010, 05:31:39 PM by Wizard »


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My point is that he acts like there's evidence for the flood because there are books that explain how it could happen.

That's not evidence. Peer reviewed scientific studies are evidence.

Provide him with evidence for anything that is not Biblical creation and he dismisses it because modern science is an atheist conspiracy. It's a pathetic state of denial.
Duckie said they were a cult, I never did. Remember who your target is.

There is a historical record of a massive flood recorded in several different cultural histories and verified by scientists. Might want to look it up some time. As for every animal being on the Ark? Well of course not. The fish still stayed in the oceans and the birds could fly. /smartass remark.

You keep talking about evidence as if it's fact. It's not always admissible in courts because evidence can be planted, corrupted, even manufactured in order to sway public opinion one way or another. it's not foolproof.

Duckie said they were a cult, I never did. Remember who your target is.

There is a historical record of a massive flood recorded in several different cultural histories and verified by scientists. Might want to look it up some time. As for every animal being on the Ark? Well of course not. The fish still stayed in the oceans and the birds could fly. /smartass remark.

You keep talking about evidence as if it's fact. It's not always admissible in courts because evidence can be planted, corrupted, even manufactured in order to sway public opinion one way or another. it's not foolproof.

1) asdf

2) No there isn't and if there is I guaruntee it wasn't big enough or at the right time. I want a link.

3) And don't forget all the water dwellers, the massive increase in water pressure, decrease in salinity and changed wave patterns would kill them all too without some sort of noah's submarine or floating aquarium. Birds can't fly for 40 days or whatever it was.

I have started to write this post at least 3 times now, and every time I go to write it, it occurs to me that no matter what I say, no one will even care. But I do have one question to ask:

Why is it that the only posts I ever see from Inv3rted and Wizard involve religion wars? Are you guys that obsessed with mocking/un-converting Christians? You could be doing something productive with your time like figuring out how the big bang happened, but oh no, you waste it in these topics.

Why is it that the only posts I ever see from Inv3rted and Wizard involve religion wars? Are you guys that obsessed with mocking/un-converting Christians?
You don't pay enough attention to my posts, obviously.

You could be doing something productive with your time like figuring out how the big bang happened, but oh no, you waste it in these topics.

I intend to do just that later in my life when I'm actually capable of it.

Also, all those "contradictions" are taken way out of context.

EDIT: Just looked at Wizards posts. At least 3/4's of all the ones I looked at have to do with refuting religion (Mainly Christianity) in some way.
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