TF2 ENGIE UPDATE! ITS LIVE!

[No2mad2]

Oh whoops. Silly me. Thank you for pointing that out.

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[Dusty12]

The shotgun is a irreplaceable secondary for the classes that use it. Those who replace it are not credit to team. Pyro doesn't need range and it most certainly doesn't need to crit.

[canto xe]

Hope this happens for Every class i mean updates for em

[Dusty12]

Hope this happens for Every class i mean updates for em

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Wow.
Just, just wow.

[yuki]

Oh yeah, just because it crits makes it so much better.
It's a crutch. You shouldn't have to rely on extra stats to kill people.

That's a stupid excuse to denounce crits. That's so absolutely handicapped I can't even think straight.
Really? Honestly? You're calling crits a crutch because they add extra damage? That's loving handicapped. That's like saying bullets are a crutch, real men run in and melee because if you ahve skillz you wouldn't need a ranged weapon hurr. It's how the weapons work, and for the most part it's entirely random. I'm more than sure you simply hate crits because they mean you get killed quicker.

God, you handicaps bitch about the stupidest stuff.

[Dusty12]

Oh Yuki, did you conveniently forget the part where the flaregun always crits?

[tails]

I won't use any of the weapons so far, Random crits is better then my sentry that kills nothing's crits.
And the sentry turns faster then i can so yeah. Plus i really like pistol.

You can crouch and be like

PEW PEW

And it's awesome accuracy

[yuki]

Oh Yuki, did you conveniently forget the part where the flaregun always crits?

Regardless, if they took away the sound and particle, no one would know it existed.
That's still a stupid excuse, stop complaining.

[Dusty12]

That wasn't the whole reason the flaregun pales in comparison to the shotgun, it was in response to what he said. My entire argument(s) regarding the unlocks isn't all "omg it crits sux!".

There's more to it than just "crits".

The most being, like it's pathetic cousin the Backburner, it promotes WM1. The pyro loses any other trusty close range weapon and as such has to rely heavily on WM1ing into groups of enemies to net kills. Even worse is when they're pyro on pyro, there's no better chance you have because all you do is do flame damage to eachother resulting in both your deaths or one surviving with 4 health.

The shotgun is also a must have for maps that involve water, it's invaluable.
There's really no incentive to trade off to the flaregun because it's so sub-par compared to the shotgun. Like nearly all unlocks it is purely situational when the vanilla weapons can easily get the job done better.

[Proog]

Think of it this way.
Scout runs by, you flame him, but he gets away.

SHOTGUN: He runs out of range, you do 5-10 damage and he lives.

FLARE GUN: You shoot him, he takes 40-90 damage from crit or minicrit.
Plus he's still on fire.

[rkynick]

The shotgun is a irreplaceable secondary for the classes that use it. Those who replace it are not credit to team. Pyro doesn't need range and it most certainly doesn't need to crit.

"not credit to team"

HEAVY
Shotgun - > Sandvich
-Can now heal allies
-Can heal his own medic

Verdict: CREDIT TO TEAM


SOLDIER
Shotgun - > Buff Banner
-May grant his team minicrits for a period of time
-Encourages teamwork and unified attacks
-Helps a last stand defense or a last chance offense

Verdict: CREDIT TO TEAM


PYRO
Shotgun - > Flaregun
-Now has long range attack strength, making him a more well-rounded class.
-May assist allies from further away
-More than one pyro with a flaregun can work together to rack up crits

Verdict: CREDIT TO TEAM


ENGINEER
Shotgun - > Frontier Justice
-When the offense pushes and destroys the engineers sentry gun, he can still help his allies fight back with his crits.
-Much more useful once his sentry is taken down than previously

Verdict: CREDIT TO TEAM

[Proog]

We can't determine the Frontier Justice because what if he's a turtle.
And what if he runs out of ammo.

[rkynick]

We can't determine the Frontier Justice because what if he's a turtle.
And what if he runs out of ammo.

Stupid.

[DracoSoul]

I don't like crits in general. They're fine for Headshots and Melee weapons, because there's actually sense behind a melee weapon critting, but bullets suddenly doing 3x damage? No thanks. Actually, I just don't like random crits. Kritzkrieg is fine.

[Proog]

Don't forget KGB, Jarate, Buff Banner and Crit A Cola