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Qwepir:

--- Quote from: rkynick on October 03, 2010, 01:14:50 AM ---There is something inherently wrong with having an incredibly rare item that can be bought for $17 give immense bonuses when paired with the rest of the set.

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Many of the new items would be better without the set. Having only 3 rockets isn't as bad if you have a backup shotgun. Jarate+New knife=guaranteed full-on crits. Fast weapon switch flamer would go great with axetinguisher.

--- Quote from: rkynick on October 03, 2010, 01:14:50 AM ---Another thing, I opened two chests and got two equalizers. I'm spending money and not getting anything in return. That isn't right.

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I bought 3 lottery tickets and didn't win anything. I'm spending money and not getting anything in return. That isn't right.

rkynick:

--- Quote from: Qwepir on October 03, 2010, 01:20:39 AM ---Many of the new items would be better without the set. Having only 3 rockets isn't as bad if you have a backup shotgun. Jarate+New knife=guaranteed full-on crits. Fast weapon switch flamer would go great with axetinguisher.

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The scout set is perfectly viable and having only 3 rockets isn't that bad. The fact that only some people have more than a ghost of a chance of completing the set is what ticks me off.

--- Quote from: Qwepir on October 03, 2010, 01:20:39 AM ---I bought 3 lottery tickets and didn't win anything. I'm spending money and not getting anything in return. That isn't right.

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No, it's plenty right because you must be poor and stupid to buy a lottery ticket.
On the other hand, video game purchases are a service and should not be a lottery where you can lose more than you paid for. It doesn't actually cost valve anything to remove the weapons from the crate list and replace them with paints or other misc. items.

If people like you continue to argue for the milking of consumers we're going to see less quality in the video game market and more focus on cashing in. What compels you to agree with a system in which you also lose? Remember when games were fun and everyone was on an equal footing after they bought the game and didn't have to worry about buying anything else? You're killing that.

masterockets:

--- Quote from: Regulith on October 03, 2010, 01:04:58 AM ---Unless you want a scrap metal or two for it, I literally have nothing to offer

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I'll take 2 scraps then, since I really don't need it

Qwepir:

--- Quote from: rkynick on October 03, 2010, 01:29:28 AM ---No, it's plenty right because you must be poor and stupid to buy a lottery ticket.
On the other hand, video game purchases are a service and should not be a lottery where you can lose more than you paid for. It doesn't actually cost valve anything to remove the weapons from the crate list and replace them with paints or other misc. items.

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Paying to open the chest is a gamble. Nowhere does it say that you will only get awesome rare items. So you got crap. Maybe next time you'll get something good. Maybe there won't be a next time and you can just trade any more crates you get for something you actually want.

--- Quote from: rkynick on October 03, 2010, 01:29:28 AM ---If people like you continue to argue for the milking of consumers we're going to see less quality in the video game market and more focus on cashing in. What compels you to agree with a system in which you also lose? Remember when games were fun and everyone was on an equal footing after they bought the game and didn't have to worry about buying anything else? You're killing that.

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Nobody has to buy anything. You could always wait for the drop. And it's not upsetting any balance considering none of these items are straight upgrades over existing items.

--- Quote from: rkynick on October 03, 2010, 01:29:28 AM ---Remember when games were fun and everyone was on an equal footing after they bought the game

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By the way, people who just bought TF2 won't have any unlocks.

rkynick:

--- Quote from: Qwepir on October 03, 2010, 01:39:22 AM ---Paying to open the chest is a gamble. Nowhere does it say that you will only get awesome rare items. So you got crap. Maybe next time you'll get something good. Maybe there won't be a next time and you can just trade any more crates you get for something you actually want.

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When you pay on a video game where they don't have to make it a gamble, it should not be a gamble you can lose so much on.

Paying the $4.98 for two keys means that money is gone; it doesn't have to be a gamble because you can't get that money back out.
So when valve takes $4 out of that and basically says I only paid $1, I'm pissed off.
So why not make the item list include only items at or above the cost of the keys? It literally costs them nothing to do and doesn't really effect the game. Add a paint, add a new dueling item that gives 13 uses, and add 2 polycount pack weapons.
I don't see why not.

It's like I'm offering up a plan where you and I both get to keep all of the money in our wallets and you're arguing against it because its a gamble of whether or not it gets stolen by a pickpocket.

--- Quote from: Qwepir on October 03, 2010, 01:39:22 AM ---Nobody has to buy anything. You could always wait for the drop. And it's not upsetting any balance considering none of these items are straight upgrades over existing items.

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Imagine this situation:
Player A has all the scout polycount unlock items. Player A is an extremely lucky forgeter. Player A has +25 hp
Player B has all the scout polycount items except the hat because he isn't some sort of demigod. Player B is at a disadvantage because he lacks the +25 hp.

And this one:
Player A has the option to be a sentry-busting soldier because he has all items of the pack
Player B does not have that option because he doesn't have the hat.
This isn't balanced.

It upsets balance because clearly if teams are of equal, high skill level, the team that has the polycount pack has a higher chance of success over the team that does not.

--- Quote from: Qwepir on October 03, 2010, 01:39:22 AM ---By the way, people who just bought TF2 won't have any unlocks.

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Oh sure new people are at a disadvantage but it isn't one that requires them to spend more money in order to close the gap.
In any case, I made a mistake when I said remember because you clearly haven't played anything except TF2.
Please point out where I said pre-mannconomy tf2 was the absolute pinnacle of gaming and the most honorable development effort ever embarked upon.
Furthermore, those unlocks are a lot easier to get than hats. Keep in mind there are people who play very frequently who still only have one hat. Consider the implications.

I've played 400 hours of tf2 and I have found 6 hats. Probably 100 of that was after the hat update.

--- Quote ---It's like I'm offering up a plan where you and I both get to keep all of the money in our wallets and you're arguing against it because its a gamble of whether or not it gets stolen by a pickpocket.

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