Author Topic: Heaven and Hell - How do they work?  (Read 3857 times)

Go away.
You might as well stay out if you don't want to be where I am.

Interesting. Maybe it's my point of view but I think that someone knowing what you will choose doesn't affect your freewill. How does God know what you will choose? Does he already make the decision? Or does he just know what you are planning on choosing? If he already made the decision for you then that would mean he is unfair. If he knows what you are planning on choosing, you still retain freewill and it's entirely your choice.
Very good point.

Why are we having theological arguments on a Lego forum?
« Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 05:29:20 PM by UncleNinja »

Why are we having theological arguments on a Lego forum?
Food for thought!

Why are we having theological arguments on a Lego forum?

Because we can't just talk about Lego related things on a Lego game forum. Hence why its called "off topic".

Do Legos go to plastic Heaven?

Interesting. Maybe it's my point of view but I think that someone knowing what you will choose doesn't affect your freewill. How does God know what you will choose? Does he already make the decision? Or does he just know what you are planning on choosing? If he already made the decision for you then that would mean he is unfair. If he knows what you are planning on choosing, you still retain freewill and it's entirely your choice.
If God or a god knew what someone was going to choose that would mean that the choice would have to be predetermined. If the choice is predetermined then how can there be free will?

Say you have a choice between the colour blue and the colour red. Now say God knows that you will choose red. If he knows that red will be chosen, before you've actually decided, then the decision must have been predetermined. How can you know someones choice if they have yet to make it?

On the other hand, if God only thinks he knows what you are going to pick (or plan to pick) then he doesn't actually know. If anything he would have to apply probability based on things he already knows about you. He wouldn't know 100% whether you would pick red, or at the last minute choose blue.

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I don't think you understood what I meant. Think of your brain as a constantly updated website or social media platform (example: Facebook) that only you and God know about/can access. It constantly updates with every single thought you have.
"Hmm I like the color blue, but I'll just choose red for lulz"
Since God is all powerful he has access to this so called "website" (add in the fact that Christianity is based on the idea that he created you and therefore this metaphorical website). Just because he knows what's going on in your brain and what your thought process is doesn't make the decision predetermined.

I think I made it more complicated with the metaphor but it explains my point.

I don't think you understood what I meant. Think of your brain as a constantly updated website or social media platform (example: Facebook) that only you and God know about/can access. It constantly updates with every single thought you have.
"Hmm I like the color blue, but I'll just choose red for lulz"
Since God is all powerful he has access to this so called "website" (add in the fact that Christianity is based on the idea that he created you and therefore this metaphorical website). Just because he knows what's going on in your brain and what your thought process is doesn't make the decision predetermined.

I think I made it more complicated with the metaphor but it explains my point.
Then this is two different things. From what you just said he only knows what you will choose based on some form of telepathy. In this way he knows what you will choose because you've inadvertently told him and not because he could see the choice before it happened.

Two and a half hours left.

Two and a half hours left.
Until what? We all find out? Are you going to kill us? D:

Until what? We all find out? Are you going to kill us? D:
I give this topic four hours [until it is unredeemably a full blown religion war]. Anyone want to place bets?


You have received additional time. Three and a half hours.

Your time has ended. I have successfully derailed this thread, thereby preventing a religion war. Thank you for your participation in this social experiment. Nymethus, I now beseech you to lock this thread.