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Mr. Wallet:
RE: Trundle, I just haven't seen him do well often enough. I see really strong showings from champs about 40% of the time (roughly 4 of 10 players being pretty darn legit in a given game), maybe a little more. With Trundle, it's once or twice out of 30+ times I've seen or used him. That's low enough to attribute to dumb luck rather than champion viability. I want to think that RIOT is great enough at game balance that Trundle is actually worth playing, but I have to admit I just haven't seen the evidence. To a far lesser extent, and I know people are gonna rage over this, I feel similarly about Riven. 86 out of 88 champs is pretty good though.

Getting to more recent posts... Sony is just ignorant as hell and it's really not worth trying to figure out where all this wrong comes from. For the education of other readers I'll address his points.

Most CC of the same type doesn't stack, so assuming you have lots of CC on your team already, Yi wouldn't need any and he puts all that extra power into other things, such as some of the best backdoor and lane push speed in the game. Plus, lots of Yi players take frozen mallet, which mostly solves the CC problem. His attack speed is so huge when he's in kill mode that you're almost guaranteed to proc the slow. But I don't, because frankly he doesn't need it; if your team needs more CC, you shouldn't be picking Yi in the first place. And regarding your last post: I added him to my off-tank list. He has an ability that channels to heal him and give him massive resists (and no, it's not puny; it's 100 + 50/level, compare Rammus' curl of 50 + 25/level - if you think he's easily taken out then your Yi opponents are too noob to hit meditate at full health, where the resists can still do something), and he gets sick heals from lifesteal items, it being among his best synergy stats. He makes a fantastic off-tank. He can't be a main tank because CC shuts down both of those tank features too easily.

--- Quote ---This makes me feel like you're saying any ad can be a offtank
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Here's the melee AD champs I did not say can make good offtanks. I didn't bother mentioning ranged AD since I'm sure that's not what you meant, and note that these champs might be viable only as main tank or only as burst; the point is just that they don't fit well into the "off-tank" archetype with any build (but again, this is just my take):

* Garen
* Nasus
* Pantheon
* Riven
* Shaco
* Talon
* WukongSo of 21 champs whose damage output is mostly based on very short range, and can viably focus their damage output only on the AD stat, 6 can't be built as off-tanks. One of the best features of the entire game is the fact that champions are so flexible and nearly all of them have at least 2 overarching build themes to tweak their role. In light of this, I think that's just about the right proportion.

edit: I'm reminded that all bets are off when the player skill is low enough. I was on my smurf and someone complained we had "too much AP", so I decided then and there that my fiddle was going to be 0 AP (excepting 5ish from runes). My no-AP fiddle got MVP dominion score and the best k/d/a, reaching 7/3/7 at one point before they got desperate and started 4-man chase-focusing me at the expense of any hope of capturing anything. This doesn't mean no-AP fiddle is viable. I don't play viable builds on my smurf. There's simply a lot more leeway for marginal builds at lower ranks, like the so-called "AD teemo" which is accidentally halfway to a different teemo but they don't realize it. I'm still not saying which until someone else mentions it. :p

Sony:
"YOu" havent seen trundle and still hes played in the biggest tournaments and is viable if you know how to play hes very good and not up at all

Also every ad thats not ranged should be built as offtank anyways as you really need the durability to stay in the fight its all diffrent with ad carrys

Also playing ad fiddle on your smurf is way diffrent than playing ranked cause people really suck @ low levels even at 30 soloque people suck stuff cause they do nothing but play against bots or are french. Sure everyone can go attackspeed chogath or manaregen garen and still win games easily cause low levels are stuff :7

Oh btw you also know riven is op as stuff and prob gonna get nerfed soon lol

Acid:
Why is EU server broken.

forget i just want to play.

Mr. Wallet:
Sony:
1. For the love of everything, please use punctuation. Reading your run-on sentences 3 times over to make sure I understood them correctly is getting old.
2. There's a difference between picking up 500 HP and a merc treads and building an off-tank. No one is going to take you seriously if a team says "we need an off-tank" and you pick Shaco saying, "Dont worry guys im melee ad shaco and so im building offtank."
3. You obviously didn't even follow the link I gave because my fiddle had no AD. There's no way that would have accomplished anything. I built tanky CD with a sorc shoes. This is what I meant by marginal build: it's getting there but missing the point. I'm not trying to refute your point about awful level 30s per se, I just thought I'd point that out so everyone was clear on what I meant by marginal build. (edit: Incidentally, my smurf is 23 now lol I even smurf hardcore)

kevin 51l:
im pretty sure the only champ that i've seen less than trundle is karma

i don't even people know karma is a champ

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