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FTB - Ultimate
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FTB - Direwolf20
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Author Topic: One year anniversary --- Syerjchep  (Read 76278 times)

Eh, my explanation was terrible, never mind it.
You're right, it isn't.

The most logical third of my brain is already looking at this and saying "ugh this is stupid why am i wasting energy here".

The only explanation I can think of as to why I care so much is just "It's relevant to my interests." And I'm not even really sure why. I suppose because I'm managing to get entertainment from it and that's not something I've been able to do much lately.
This is something I've considered. EE3 takes out condensers, so that won't even be a problem. By the time FTB is out with EE, it'll probably be using EE3. But it'll have Mystcraft, along with other neat mods, and that may more than make up for it. c:
Maybe its a matter of pride, for you.
See, I'm not going into other server threads and preaching the evils of ee, no, I just made an administrative decision on my own dam server.

it isnt a very good one, everyone wants EE and are even threatening to not join unless you add it

it isnt a very good one, everyone wants EE and are even threatening to not join unless you add it
The thing is, when you explain what it is to those who havent used it, they agree with me.
Its only after youve gotten so used to it that you no longer think mining is possible that you play without it.

Protip guys: You can makes quarrys turtles bombs lasers etc. to make mining much faster.

The thing is, when you explain what it is to those who havent used it, they agree with me.
Its only after youve gotten so used to it that you no longer think mining is possible that you play without it.

Protip guys: You can makes quarrys turtles bombs lasers etc. to make mining much faster.

Quarries: Scare the hell out of me. They cause chunk corruption everywhere. Not to mention you need chunkloaders and teleport pipes and lots of other glitchy, hard-to-use equipment (unless you want a huge hole under your house.)

Turtles: Are slow and tend to disappear randomly if not being watched.

Bombs: Are hard to use; we'd need explosives experts.

Lasers: Are okay... I guess? But it's still tedious because you're moving along down a tunnel manually for hours.


Edit: Granted, spelunking can be a little fun. But it gets old after a while.

The thing is, when you explain what it is to those who havent used it, they agree with me.
Its only after youve gotten so used to it that you no longer think mining is possible that you play without it.

Protip guys: You can makes quarrys turtles bombs lasers etc. to make mining much faster.

are you explaining what it is in a biased way?

i think we should just upgrade to FTB, establish REAL rules and wipe everything.

i think we should just upgrade to FTB, establish REAL rules and wipe everything.
This isnt off the table, but FTB isnt out yet.
Quarries: Scare the hell out of me. They cause chunk corruption everywhere. Not to mention you need chunkloaders and teleport pipes and lots of other glitchy, hard-to-use equipment (unless you want a huge hole under your house.)

Turtles: Are slow and tend to disappear randomly if not being watched.

Bombs: Are hard to use; we'd need explosives experts.

Lasers: Are okay... I guess? But it's still tedious because you're moving along down a tunnel manually for hours.


Edit: Granted, spelunking can be a little fun. But it gets old after a while.
Theres supposed to be some kind of downside.
I mean the resources should be taken from somewhere.
Not just conjured up at the convience of the player who has a few spare diamonds.

"everybody wants EE"
i'd rather play without it, kthnx.

Maybe its a matter of pride, for you.
Yes, probably so.

See, I'm not going into other server threads and preaching the evils of ee, no, I just made an administrative decision on my own dam server.
Don't expect you to. This is relevant to the server, so I'm talking about it here. Albeit it is your own server, and you have the right to do what you did, since you are the host of the server, it should be expected of you to create a server that will entertain your players, right? Of course, there is the chance that you didn't make this in the interest of supplying entertainment to others, but instead you were more keen on entertainment for yourself (Which, when worded that way, sounds a lot more 'evil' or whatever than it actually is, but I'm unsure of how to word it differently).

I expected that certain trait from you as host, and I guess I was disappointed?

"everybody wants EE"
i'd rather play without it, kthnx.
Most everyone*?

The thing is, when you explain what it is to those who havent used it, they agree with me.
Your explanations don't do it justice at all. Experience is a lot better than explanation.

Its only after youve gotten so used to it that you no longer think mining is possible that you play without it.
I'm assuming exaggeration was used as an emphasis mechanism, so I'll leave that be. You are right in saying that if EE were never in Tekkit to begin with, this would not be an issue. There's absolutely no arguing that. It's more that we know there was a way to make something even a little less tedious, and that it was intentionally removed without our say, or that there was a promise of it coming back soon, but it never did.

It'd be nice if we could suck it up and keep moving, but humans are too naturally passive-aggressive for that.

Protip guys: You can makes quarrys turtles bombs lasers etc. to make mining much faster.
This is true, and I've been playing around with that a bit.

Without EMC generators, we'd actually be forced to do that still, just not nearly as often. We still need to supply ourselves with matter for use in transmutation. Even with my old house, I had to have quarries running to supply me with matter until I made those EMC generators. By the time they were banned, I had enough matter to last me a long time, and I was actually almost out of "spare matter" when the map reset occurred, so I was ready to start running quarries again.


If you were to explain in full detail your opinion of EE as is, it'd be a lot easier for me to understand your thoughts, and I'd be less frustrated.

Theres supposed to be some kind of downside.
I mean the resources should be taken from somewhere.
Not just conjured up at the convience of the player who has a few spare diamonds.
The "downside" balancing mechanic is fine and done everywhere in games. Tedium makes for a horrible example of this.

Here's an example of where the "downside" mechanic is done pretty well:
Mining Laser (and other electronic tools in IC2)  -  Requires electricity, and more powerful settings use more of it. Good.
Quarry  -  Requires BuildCraft power, and so its speed is relative to how much it gets. Slow, but works, and works pretty darn well. Leaves a big, ugly hole though. The larger the area you're mining, the longer it'll take to get it all.
Mining Turtle  -  Requires knowledge of coding to use to its fullest extent, and this makes it really fun to use if you like coding. I don't even think this has much a downside other than its small inventory.
Swiftwolf's Rending Gale  -  Requires fuel in the form of EMC for flying. 64EMC/s of flying, if I remember correctly. Of course, I could definitely agree on a higher rate of EMC consumption.

Also, convenience is amazing and I have no idea why you have something against it. Maybe you're more old-school-minded?



I also have to apologize for the tone of my earlier posts, I was in a pretty bad mood.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2012, 09:00:10 PM by otto-san »

I'm going to try to explain this one last time since the argument's no longer relevant.
If items were meant to just be converted in a kind of "values" system (EMC) then why wouldn't all the items just be coins that you mined for, and all the machines and stuff just cost a different amount of those coins?
Because with EE you might as well just have a ton of the same item, since you can convert inbetween items instantly without penalty.

I'm going to try to explain this one last time since the argument's no longer relevant.
If items were meant to just be converted in a kind of "values" system (EMC) then why wouldn't all the items just be coins that you mined for, and all the machines and stuff just cost a different amount of those coins?
Because with EE you might as well just have a ton of the same item, since you can convert inbetween items instantly without penalty.
Transmutation is about allocating matter from one type to another. In real life, this can be seen in things like alpha decay. In alchemy, it's more focused on changing the matter to different types of matter using all the matter you put in. You always get an equivalent outcome. Put in matter equivalent to 55AMU, you would get an end result of matter in 55AMU, just arranged in different ways.

The reason we don't have everything as coins is because that doesn't really make sense.

Perhaps in transmutation, some matter should be lost as amounts of "decayed matter" in a certain percentile of the input EMC, which is essentially useless.

I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't feel like it can apply here.

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1. No destruction of other peoples bases.
2. No killing, unless in self defense.
3. No using the condenser to farm items automatically.

i can steal since it isnt destruction

stealing is actually counted as destruction of property because you're taking something from that property that is not yours, but a part of the property itself.

destruction does not entirely mean "blow up to atoms"
it literally means to de-construct something, as in taking bits away from something until it is either nothing or severely less of what it once was.

by stealing, you are taking away bits of that property. so yes, technically, you are "destroying" a property that is not yours.

Can I still sabotage things?

Disconnect wires, destroy a single pipe or two.

Can I still sabotage things?

Disconnect wires, destroy a single pipe or two.
No, because that is also counted towards destruction.