Religion.

[WALK2222]

I'm not annoyed by religion, its the people that annoy me.
I am agnostic, but mainly because I believe in a higher power.  I don't believe in the whole Jesus thing.  I completely support what science's theories are (evolution, big bang theory, etc)

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[Donro98]

Your observation skills are superb.

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[K9 Kid]

There is an immense amount of data supporting the Big Bang theory.
By rejecting this blatantly obvious theory, you are being immensely ignorant.

Well?

where did the supercondenced gas come from?
What caused it to explode?was it growing?
What created the "big bang"?
I figure that the rapid expansion can just as easily be accounted for by the biblical creation of heavens and earth.

[Mega-Bear]

What caused it to explode?
What created the "big bang"?

Straw man attacks. Flawed straw man attacks, at that. Whether or not God caused the big bang is irrelevant to what Trinick is saying.

[Trinick.]

Well?

where did the supercondenced gas come from?
What caused it to explode?was it growing?
What created the "big bang"?
I figure that the rapid expansion can just as easily be accounted for by the biblical creation of heavens and earth.

It wasn't a supercondenced gas, it was a previous universe that had shrunk to a singularity, and once something shrinks to a singularity that means there is an infinite amount of pressure inside the smallest possible space, and for those who don't know, tons of energy in a small space = explosion.

Where did the previous universe come from? Simple. There's always been a universe. Where'd god come from?

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Where'd god come from?

BOOM, TOASTED

no but really tri you can't argue that point.  saying that the universe has always existed is as baseless a claim as saying god has always existed

a much better argument is that time doesn't actually exist, that the universe truly exists in a way outside of our understanding.  if finite time is just something made up by humans, then there is no definite beginning or end to the universe.  why must the universe be linear?  the passage of time is very real, yes, but as far as we know we could be wrong about this whole "beginning and end" thing.

it's a very abstract idea that i have probably explained very poorly, sorry lol

[Night Fox]

I figure that the rapid expansion can just as easily be accounted for by the biblical creation of heavens and earth.

the bible doesn't even account for the fact that there are other planets

[Harm94]

I think science and religion go hand and hand becaues science developed weapons gun powder, the nuclear bomb, chobham armor, depleted uranium darts, guided munitions, fighter jets, tanks, and guns. All of those which are used by strawmen and ragheads everywhere.

[Trinick.]

it's a very abstract idea that i have probably explained very poorly, sorry lol

No, you explained it perfectly. That's essentially what I was saying but opened a can of worms which is that time is a dimension and not a flow. This is the best way I can think to explain it:

Time is a dimension, if you disagree look it up. Now that we understand it's a dimension, think about the other dimensions you know of. Just because you are in your chair right now, in a specific spot in all 3 dimensions, and have your vision blocked by a computer screen, does not mean that the area 3 feet ahead of you that you do not perceive is not there. Just because you're sitting at a current position in the time dimension, does not mean the area in front of you that you can not see is not there. The universe is an object, just like you and me, and if you look at it in different spots on the 4th dimension you will see it at various sizes. It will grow, reach a maximum size, then contract. Once it contracts to the smallest possible size, it will explode again, grow, shrink, explode, grow, shrink, explode. It has no definable beginning, and has no definable end.

[K9 Kid]

it was a previous universe that had shrunk to a singularity

Where did the previous universe come from? Simple. There's always been a universe. Where'd god come from?

ok how is it possible to have documented observation of something like another universe? sounds like people reasoned and came up with that.

God always was, always is, and always will be. It stands to reason he exists outside the boundaries of his own creation, because otherwise he would be bound by things like time. You can see the beautiful design intertwined with creation, such as the human mind, the orderly nature of atoms, the perfect balance of oxygen in the atmosphere. its rediculous to say it came from chance and randomness.


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[WALK2222]

You can see the beautiful design intertwined with creation, such as the human mind, the orderly nature of atoms, the perfect balance of oxygen in the atmosphere. its rediculous to say it came from chance and randomness.

sigh

[RedGajin]

the bible doesn't even account for the fact that there are other planets

but what does that have to do with its credibility? the bible was written by humans through word of mouth, not god himself. there was no way they could have known if god didnt feel the need to tell them.

[dkamm65]

How can you say it's possible for a god to have always existed, but a universe couldn't have? Double standard.

[Night Fox]

ok how is it possible to have documented observation of something like another universe?

do you have documented observation of god

but what does that have to do with its credibility? the bible was written by humans through word of mouth, not god himself. there was no way they could have known if god didnt feel the need to tell them.

god told them what to write. in any other case, they wouldn't have been able to write Genesis in the first place. and Adam and Eve didn't do it

[K9 Kid]

It will grow, reach a maximum size, then contract.

Once it contracts to the smallest possible size, it will explode

Whatever happened to "infinate"?
meaning
limitless?
meaning
there Is no smallest possible size or largest possible size?
there is no defined maximum or minimum on infinate space dude