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LeetLegacy - Ligacy Warfare <Kit 3 is now $1000/s but can save bought weapons!>
Megaguy2:
people are voting no because you have got them hooked
once again you're falling on the old arguement of "shops work because every game does them" which may be true but it is not a reason to have one. More players may equal more fun but you should attract people with fun and not self admitted manipulation devices. I do truely believe that the shop system a lot of recent servers have included is really dumb and that the gameplay could be improved with the removal.
heres a thought; playtesting is a very important thing when making multiplayer games.
now you have fixed the spawns, which are an issue, you should now fix the other thing that is stopping the (slightly vocal) minority of players from having fun.
I am sure the gameplay would be 100% the loving same if the guns were free, only there would not be a clear distinction between players who join late game and players who join early game.
I mean, you don't hate minorities, do you? :cookieMonster:
BY THE WAY TO ALL CS STYLE VOTERS- i thought i'd let you know the basis of Counter strike's money system works because there's only one life per each player until the round resets. In this minigame, you will die, because of how fast paced it is, and when you die, you will respawn without your hard earned gun.
To me, that doesn't sound like fun. It sounds fustrating.
(i hadn't voted until now. i was the 4th voter, lol.)
LeetZero:
--- Quote from: Megaguy2 on April 21, 2013, 03:52:24 AM ---people are voting no because you have got them hooked
once again you're falling on the old arguement of "shops work because every game does them" which may be true but it is not a reason to have one. More players may equal more fun but you should attract people with fun and not self admitted manipulation devices. I do truely believe that the shop system a lot of recent servers have included is really dumb and that the gameplay could be improved with the removal.
heres a thought; playtesting is a very important thing when making multiplayer games.
now you have fixed the spawns, which are an issue, you should now fix the other thing that is stopping the (slightly vocal) minority of players from having fun.
I am sure the gameplay would be 100% the loving same if the guns were free, only there would not be a clear distinction between players who join late game and players who join early game.
I mean, you don't hate minorities, do you? :cookieMonster:
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At least there are no votes now, as I said I will implement it that way even if I don't like it so yeah, whatever. :cookieMonster: Though I think Semi Regulation is a good idea because though there are the "OP" weapons that everyone will get if they will become free.
Well I guess that's your opinion. But as I said, some people like it here. But yeah it's really a matter of opinion.
Also, once more, it depends on the poll. Though the No did advance quite quickly indeed.
It's not that I don't want fun, funfactor in servers being of importance indeed. But seeing people did say it's fun, and that the shop system stay, it's just that some people give a different meaning of "fun".
In all it's theory, if you think about it, it's not that there are 4 No's and there are 5 Semi's. The other 3 votes are all shops. In basically it's 3+5+4 for shops vs 4 that voted no. 13 people liked the idea of having a shop, one way or another. Only 4 didn't want it at all. I am not going to do the "cumulative" type and gonna implement no if it's the biggest voted anyway, but yeah. See the thing now?
Regardless, I don't see what problem people would have with Semi-Regulation. Having everything free is nice, yeah, but you also need to count in the fact that there are the powerful weapons that are/should still be part of the gameplay as long as they exist. More or less the Dragon Fang (less), that thing IS OP.
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Well then I could easily implement a spawn-killing and 1-life :cookieMonster:
But yeah because you don't have a gui having to do those things from selecting a spawn it will be frustrating, at least in CS you only need 3 clicks to get what you need.
Megaguy2:
...so wait, you have just said that some weapons just generally outclass others?
...and you claim that is balanced because...they cost a lot...and people want them, so the inflation goes up...
that is not game balance.. That is absolutely handicapped. If you make everything free, you have to pick a list of weapons that you consider balanced against eachother, or the entire point of making things free is gone because people won't pick what works for their playstyle, people will just pick the loving overpowered guns.
Why overpowered guns even exist on the basis of "b-b-but they cost alot!!" is absolutely beyond me.
LeetZero:
--- Quote from: Megaguy2 on April 21, 2013, 04:02:07 AM ---...so wait, you have just said that some weapons just generally outclass others?
...and you claim that is balanced because...they cost a lot...and people want them, so the inflation goes up...
that is not game balance.. That is absolutely handicapped. If you make everything free, you have to pick a list of weapons that you consider balanced against eachother, or the entire point of making things free is gone because people won't pick what works for their playstyle, people will just pick the loving overpowered guns.
Why overpowered guns even exist on the basis of "b-b-but they cost alot!!" is absolutely beyond me.
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If Semi-Regulation is implemented, not only that the OP guns cost, but they would take sereval kills to be used once or a few times because you would not have them saved. See the link? You get to use them for only one life at the expense of a nice amount of kills. Most of the times they won't even pay for themselves unless you know how to use them.
And yes they are unbalanced, at least some of them. I never said it's really that balanced on the heavy weapons. With or without everything free, I will still include the OP weapons but I will add a regulation switch to them, so I can disable or enable them at need/will, sometimes keeping them on or the otherwise. (However keeping them on would also make the kits disabled so people won't abuse that out). Does that sound ok?
Bushido:
why are you being so sore about community voting
there are 3 votes for yes, 4 votes for no, 5 votes for semi-regulatory and 4 votes for CS-style
that means that there are 3 votes for yes, 4 votes for no, 5 votes for semi-regulatory and 4 votes for CS-style
i mean it's well within your right (but not necessarily within the bounds of proper design and critical etiquette) to just not do anything but why the forget are you going an extra 30 miles out of your way to fight people on their opinions
they're opinions
you forcing your opinion over theirs and having them change their opinion because of it isn't causing them to agree with you, it's causing you to agree with yourself through proxy
IE: procrastination
if you're not gonna forgetin do it don't forgetin do it
--- Quote from: Megaguy2 on April 21, 2013, 04:02:07 AM ---...so wait, you have just said that some weapons just generally outclass others?
...and you claim that is balanced because...they cost a lot...and people want them, so the inflation goes up...
that is not game balance.. That is absolutely handicapped. If you make everything free, you have to pick a list of weapons that you consider balanced against eachother, or the entire point of making things free is gone because people won't pick what works for their playstyle, people will just pick the loving overpowered guns.
Why overpowered guns even exist on the basis of "b-b-but they cost alot!!" is absolutely beyond me.
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stop bein so loving condescending that's not something you're allowed to do in an argument
vulgarity is fine (cause in some cases that just expresses your sheer and utter passion toward the topic, and in other cases just means you like to curse) but demeaning the guy you're trying to convince doesn't help anyone. hell, it usually just hurts your cause- nobody wants to associate themselves with he-who-is-holier-then-thou
if you want my advice, here's what you should do; scrap the point-buy system. there's nothing good that comes out of it besides giving players who have gotten familiar with the maps and familiar with the playstyle of the server even more of an edge over newer players, causing an enormous power-gap and causing new players to have to addict themselves (which is super unhealthy) instead of allowing them to enjoy the server because it's a good server. seriously, i spent 30 minutes trying to work up the money for a KS-23whatever and recouped costs in 30 seconds worth of shootin dudes in their punk-faces afterward
alternately, give players a better opening set of weapons (like the stock pistol and the KS-23) and then let them choose the weapons they'd like afterward, allowing new players to still fight on an even level but older players to choose weapons they like and giving them incentive to continue playing. also, have superweapons (the CAWS, striker, etc) just spawn on the map occasionally, preferably in high-intensity zones, thus causing traffic and skirmishes where they would be interesting and allowing you to pinpoint where you want fights to be carried out