Mic left on after NJ senate meeting reveals they actually DO want your guns.

[Oasis]

I think this a perfect solution, then it's true majority, and no going around it with money.

Nope. People are stupid. We need representatives to govern.

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[Harm94]

This argument doesn't hold water. Nowadays, with modern tech and weapons (Drones, etc.) there'd be no way the populace would avoid that. The US military could take whatever they please, you think a couple thousand people with AR-15s would stop them?

The Maverick missile is expensive and their are simply not enough to wipe out the entire population. They could go after the leaders of militias, but it is simply ineffective. Also tanks and armored vehicles are ineffective in urban warfare. It's a large elephant in a small maze, they are super vunerable to mines, rockets, and recoilless rifles. Besides the civilian AR15 is pretty underpowered compared to the M4 and m16.

Second people like Riddler rose to power because they convinced people to vote them in power. From there he was able to use the younger generation and radicals to create a more obedient force such as the Gestapo and the Waffen SS to carry out his tasks unopposed. The regular German army wasn't as radical, but if they were to go against the national socialist's there officers would have been killed off by Gestapo agents or SS troops. Riddler took the right to bear arms away from the Jews and look what happened. The Polish resistance and Army remnants, Norwegians, and Dane's put up a fight to the end of the war because they wouldn't let the German's push them around. Homoloveuals, Jews, Gypsies, handicapped people, and deformed people were all killed in concentration camps. Since the national socialist thing is thrown around a lot, lets look homeward  like those 112.5 million Native Americans were killed by white settlers and us troops? All they had were arrows and tomahawks, some tribes were able to get guns from white traders and use them against the us army like at the Battle of BigHorn. A lot of actions against the Natives were carried out by the Democrat party such as the Trail of Tears and the exterminations in California. Which backs up my statement earlier about how it's all about getting the most votes and appealing to a certain audience. Yesterday the Democrats were tribal Strawmen who were proslavery, today they are intellectuals who want racial equality and gay rights.

[Dracpot]

The Democrat's line of thinking was: "If we can't enslave them, we can make them vote for us."

[Oasis]

The Maverick missile is expensive and their are simply not enough to wipe out the entire population. They could go after the leaders of militias, but it is simply ineffective. Also tanks and armored vehicles are ineffective in urban warfare. It's a large elephant in a small maze, they are super vunerable to mines, rockets, and recoilless rifles. Besides the civilian AR15 is pretty underpowered compared to the M4 and m16.

Second people like Riddler rose to power because they convinced people to vote them in power. From there he was able to use the younger generation and radicals to create a more obedient force such as the Gestapo and the Waffen SS to carry out his tasks unopposed. The regular German army wasn't as radical, but if they were to go against the national socialist's there officers would have been killed off by Gestapo agents or SS troops. Riddler took the right to bear arms away from the Jews and look what happened. The Polish resistance and Army remnants, Norwegians, and Dane's put up a fight to the end of the war because they wouldn't let the German's push them around. Homoloveuals, Jews, Gypsies, handicapped people, and deformed people were all killed in concentration camps. Since the national socialist thing is thrown around a lot, lets look homeward  like those 112.5 million Native Americans were killed by white settlers and us troops? All they had were arrows and tomahawks, some tribes were able to get guns from white traders and use them against the us army like at the Battle of BigHorn. A lot of actions against the Natives were carried out by the Democrat party such as the Trail of Tears and the exterminations in California. Which backs up my statement earlier about how it's all about getting the most votes and appealing to a certain audience. Yesterday the Democrats were tribal Strawmen who were proslavery, today they are intellectuals who want racial equality and gay rights.

It's not like they're a infinite entity that changed over time. Ideas spread and evolve.

Also, I agree, words can be much more powerful than weaponry.

The Democrat's line of thinking was: "If we can't enslave them, we can make them vote for us."

Oh my loving god.

Nope, I'm done. It's been fun.

[Sir Blocksalot]

The Maverick missile is expensive and their are simply not enough to wipe out the entire population. They could go after the leaders of militias, but it is simply ineffective. Also tanks and armored vehicles are ineffective in urban warfare. It's a large elephant in a small maze, they are super vunerable to mines, rockets, and recoilless rifles. Besides the civilian AR15 is pretty underpowered compared to the M4 and m16.

Second people like Riddler rose to power because they convinced people to vote them in power. From there he was able to use the younger generation and radicals to create a more obedient force such as the Gestapo and the Waffen SS to carry out his tasks unopposed. The regular German army wasn't as radical, but if they were to go against the national socialist's there officers would have been killed off by Gestapo agents or SS troops. Riddler took the right to bear arms away from the Jews and look what happened. The Polish resistance and Army remnants, Norwegians, and Dane's put up a fight to the end of the war because they wouldn't let the German's push them around. Homoloveuals, Jews, Gypsies, handicapped people, and deformed people were all killed in concentration camps. Since the national socialist thing is thrown around a lot, lets look homeward  like those 112.5 million Native Americans were killed by white settlers and us troops? All they had were arrows and tomahawks, some tribes were able to get guns from white traders and use them against the us army like at the Battle of BigHorn. A lot of actions against the Natives were carried out by the Democrat party such as the Trail of Tears and the exterminations in California. Which backs up my statement earlier about how it's all about getting the most votes and appealing to a certain audience. Yesterday the Democrats were tribal Strawmen who were proslavery, today they are intellectuals who want racial equality and gay rights.

You lost all credibility when you started to compare the Obama administration to national socialist Germany.

[Nonnel]

You lost all credibility when you started to compare the Obama administration to national socialist Germany.

Why's that?

[Gamefandan]

I can understand why people feel that it is unconstitutional for guns to be made illegal to possess, however I think it's unfair to say that no reforms should be made in gun regulation whatsoever. Under current regulations almost anyone can receive a fully-automatic weapon with large masses of ammunition with lax background checks. Currently most, if not all, firearms suppliers use paper to document sales and background checks instead of a computer system. In my opinion if the idea that limiting how many hundreds of children we can kill with our 300 round magazines by reducing the legal size of magazines shouldn't be made to law, then the least we can do is crack down on the suppliers' harmful ways of doing business.

[Harm94]

Also I see those crazy militias as the last line of defense. The first responders should always be peaceful assemblers and voters.

I can understand why people feel that it is unconstitutional for guns to be made illegal to possess, however I think it's unfair to say that no reforms should be made in gun regulation whatsoever. Under current regulations almost anyone can receive a fully-automatic weapon with large masses of ammunition with lax background checks. Currently most, if not all, firearms suppliers use paper to document sales and background checks instead of a computer system. In my opinion if the idea that limiting how many hundreds of children we can kill with our 300 round magazines by reducing the legal size of magazines shouldn't be made to law, then the least we can do is crack down on the suppliers' harmful ways of doing business.

Hold on buddy. This is not fully true. You need the correct weapons permit to obtain these types of weapons, even then in most state's policies and lack of dealers make it hard to obtain such firearms. Most gun shops will obey the state and federal laws, however I'm sure there are few dirty dealers. Most illegal weapons come into the same way drugs do. Smuggled over the border by hiking across the open landscape, or in clever place in a vehicle.

[Dracpot]

Oh my loving god.

Nope, I'm done. It's been fun.

>what is a joke

Come on now, for someone who acts like he's so smart and knows everything, you're pretty dull.

[Sir Blocksalot]

Why's that?

Because it's grossly inaccurate, Obama doesn't plan on kill all those who oppose him.

Also I see those crazy militias as the last line of defense. The first responders should always be peaceful assemblers and voters.

Ok, that's reasonable. I'm just so tired of this "It's America, we shoot first, then ask questions!" mentality that folks have.

[Sir Blocksalot]

>what is a joke

Come on now, for someone who acts like he's so smart and knows everything, you're pretty dull.

That was a pretty stuffty, offensive joke to be fair. Besides, what was that you said about name calling?

[Dracpot]

In a perfect world, background checks are perfectly reasonable and I would accept them. However, that would also include checking for mental illness, and who decides what the definition of "mentally ill"? In the Soviet Union it was considered a mental illness to disagree with the government, therefore allowing them to take your guns and arrest you when you say "you can't do that!"

[Epicduke]

God damnit, this is one of the reasons that the United in the United States of America is starting to mean little today.

[Dracpot]

That was a pretty stuffty, offensive joke to be fair. Besides, what was that you said about name calling?

Well I'm just telling the truth. I'm not handicapped. But he is being pretty dull.

[Nonnel]

That was a pretty stuffty, offensive joke to be fair. Besides, what was that you said about name calling?

Calling someone dull shouldn't be compared to calling someone handicapped.